I agree with this post. Let's keep this thread more of a technical time for drag numbers and keep attacks at bay. I think 107mph with only tuning is impressive in both cases!

Anyone else out there in Evo X land run 107mph or higher with just a tune?

 

i can be one of the judges for ttp z-chip as i have stated before in this thread, i have driven the shop car myself..From driving my bone stock evo to driving ttp's car, i could say ttps car feels like a true evolution.. It feels like a whole different car and how it should feel just like prior generation Evos...I think once this product is released to the public, customers will be very happy and satisfied for the wait

And the fact that ttps car ran those times here with intense 90 to near 100 degree and humid weather which kills the performance at the track..Weather so hot that you cant stand outside for 5 mins without breaking a sweat

But i do give props to Sean as he is an outstanding tuner! Good job!

 

Mike

Just to add some info for you on this subject

We had a customer on a base flash Buschur Flash Ecutek run similar times and trap speeds. I can't recall the exact details off the top of my head but its in one of my old videos.

I will say this

Any reflash which can directly access the tunable parameters of a stock ecu is vastly superior to any piggy back chip of any kind - PERIOD

I have a video somewhere of tyhe developer of the Exede product saying the same thing.

I repeat the best option for tuning is using the stock ecu and reflashing the maps directly. Any piggy back or chip device is by its very nature limited and a compromise.

Al

 

Generally speaking, a reflash can obtain the same results as any piggy back chip which alters inputs to the ecu to effect tuning changes.

Of course the UTEC is a execption as it utilizes independant injector and timing drivers and hence is more like a stand alone or PEMS in operation

So long as a reflash gives you full access to all needed tunbable parameters - (whiuch Ecutek does) you can get the same result by directly adjusting the ecu inside as you can by intercepting signals comming in

Of course the reflash is the more accurate, stable and consistant method of achiving the desired result

Any piggy back is subject to change when the stock ecu adapts or changes maps

I am not referencing any particular product of vendor

These are general observations

Al

 

Damn Al, you hit this right on the head!

 

whats the average 1/4 time for stock evo x's? because ive heard 13 flat (doubt it) and even heard 14 flat (doubt it) just curious

 

Thank you for chiming in with your input AL.. I respect your opinion as a very well known tuner for years on here!!

 

What EXEDE product? There is none. Vishnu has abandoned the project.

Our ZChip is an off the shelf unit that you plug in an go in 10 minutes.

Some other comical terms we find are "Buschur Flash EcuTeK". Since you flash the EcuTeK flash for Buschur, is there a reason you just don't claim them to be your own?

A pnp chip that takes 10 min to install and runs 107.42mph on its first pass down the strip in 93*F heat and 95% humidity in FL does not sound like any type of compromise.

 

Because there is so much riding on this on both sides, I won't say that is 100% true. I mapped ECUflash and XEDE and was able to get a little more power with the XEDE due to more precise timing controls, all the while running the car a tiny bit richer.

The XEDE boost control was also a little more dynamic.

That said, I firmly believe both are good solutions. I ran my VIII on XEDE with great results into the 11s. I ran my IX on ECUflash with great results. I ran my X with EcuTeK and got great results. And my 135i is back on a piggyback (PROcede), because in BMW world, there is no custom tuning of reflashes, and they are $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

As far as the Zchip goes, it is NOT the XEDE or a PROcede. It is a new product to the market with its own attributes. It is throwing down good track numbers, so I think its worth taking a look at.

All this is to say that I firmly believe the end results of both will be very, very close on track and you cannot go wrong with either. What you as the end consumer need to decide is what makes the most sense for him/her.

This is a competitive market, but competition means that products will improve.

Lets strive for friendly competition, and realize that both reflashing and piggybacks are viable and have a place in this market.

 

please sir i would like to keep this thread clean of insults such as the comical terms Al used.. This thread was created for discussions of options for the Evo X customers... Thank you..

 

Piggy backs are useful in applications where there is no reflash access yet available.

We are unichip dealers / tuners and in many applications where there is no reflash for a particular factory ecu we are left with no other option to tune a car which is modified. In these cases a piggy back is a band aid fix to tune the car so it can run with significant modfiications without the need to resort to a full stand alone ecu.

Piggy backs can achieve decent results in certain applications but as ecus have become more complex and contain more self learning features the usefulness of a piggy back has become more difficult

It should be noted that back in the day David Buschur went 7's or so on stock ecus with piggy backs like the HKS VPC and Apexi AFC etc so it is certainly ture that you can go fast with a piggy back

A reflash is the superior choice for tuning

 

Thank you Al for your insight on this.. I have to agree with you on the tuning aspects of the new Ecu's.. Being able to control many different parameters of the ecu would appear to be the optimal way to get the most performance..

 

Maybe what they meant was Stock Unmodified Turbo.. Most are aware of Xtreme boosts mods on the car as he posts pictures of the custom manifold etc.. Just throwing my .02 of what the guy meant that posted that info..

 

End results, cost factor, safety and ease of product availability and install all appear to be the optimal way to achieve what the consumer is after.

 

I offer the exact same services Buschur Racing offers.. They seem to do pretty well and so are we at this point...