How the Zchip works
Jan 10, 2009, 11:41 PM
#91
Things are starting to make sense. Thank you TTP for providing additional information on point. Here is the other threads description of what the Zchip modifies so we can have it here in this thread for consistancy.
"Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
The ZChip for Evo X, MR and Ralliart 2009 modifies the following functions of the ECU without writing on the ECU.
MIVEC intake and exhaust
All ignition timing maps
All fuel maps
DBW maps
TPS maps
Airflow maps
Boost limits
MAP scaling"
I am familiar with the concept of signal modifiers and their use in changing voltage but never knew exactly what they modified. A sub-question becomes; does the Zchip modify more than the SSTT. I know that is a topic for another discusion so let's not begin that thread just yet, but in explaining the Zchip maybe someone can make the comparison while remaining on topic. Thanks. We have really good information here.
"Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
The ZChip for Evo X, MR and Ralliart 2009 modifies the following functions of the ECU without writing on the ECU.
MIVEC intake and exhaust
All ignition timing maps
All fuel maps
DBW maps
TPS maps
Airflow maps
Boost limits
MAP scaling"
I am familiar with the concept of signal modifiers and their use in changing voltage but never knew exactly what they modified. A sub-question becomes; does the Zchip modify more than the SSTT. I know that is a topic for another discusion so let's not begin that thread just yet, but in explaining the Zchip maybe someone can make the comparison while remaining on topic. Thanks. We have really good information here.
Jan 11, 2009, 12:00 AM
#92
We will not be answering any question or comparison inquiries to and other products outside of AP, Ecutek, reflash or ZChip. These are the only viable options available and specific to the Evo.
The other product mentioned has nothing to do with the ZChip. We had never even seen or heard of the bmw unit until after we were into formal production of our EVO SPECIFIC plug n play product. This is much more complex than a simple map clamp which won't do a thing on the evo.
It has a complex graphical user interface which allows customization of fueling and ignition timing with affects on other load based ECU tables.
Our last one tuned yesterday added +82whp.
The other product mentioned has nothing to do with the ZChip. We had never even seen or heard of the bmw unit until after we were into formal production of our EVO SPECIFIC plug n play product. This is much more complex than a simple map clamp which won't do a thing on the evo.
It has a complex graphical user interface which allows customization of fueling and ignition timing with affects on other load based ECU tables.
Our last one tuned yesterday added +82whp.
Last edited by TTP Engineering; Jan 11, 2009 at 12:09 AM.
Jan 11, 2009, 10:13 AM
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We will not be answering any question or comparison inquiries to and other products outside of AP, Ecutek, reflash or ZChip. These are the only viable options available and specific to the Evo.
The other product mentioned has nothing to do with the ZChip. We had never even seen or heard of the bmw unit until after we were into formal production of our EVO SPECIFIC plug n play product. This is much more complex than a simple map clamp which won't do a thing on the evo.
It has a complex graphical user interface which allows customization of fueling and ignition timing with affects on other load based ECU tables.
Our last one tuned yesterday added +82whp.
The other product mentioned has nothing to do with the ZChip. We had never even seen or heard of the bmw unit until after we were into formal production of our EVO SPECIFIC plug n play product. This is much more complex than a simple map clamp which won't do a thing on the evo.
It has a complex graphical user interface which allows customization of fueling and ignition timing with affects on other load based ECU tables.
Our last one tuned yesterday added +82whp.
pretty fair response....I nor anyone i have asked have ever herd of the SSTT and since its not evo specific or even japanese import specific it bears no relevance
Jan 11, 2009, 09:56 PM
#94
Wow. And I am sure that if you polled 100 BMW owners, less than 1% would know what a Zchip is as well as most BMW tuners/shops. Neither argument of knowledge of both products on the market is relevant to the comparison question as both modify the MAP signal. Split Second is a very reputable aftermarket manufacturer and has a greater breadth of components than Zeitronix and been in the business for quite some time. Funny why most don't know the company. Anyone at SEMA in 2007 or who has read about SEMA would have noticed that Split Second won a 2007 award for its plug n play performance module, just like Zeitronix won a similar award in 2008. Those that follow the tuning scene surely would have notice Split second's parts featured on various Japanese brand vehicles over the years. You can check out their website to confirm their involvement and/or products. But let us please get back on topic. I will make a new thread to address the differences if it is necessary, although it sure would save time to have all this information in one thread. I am sorry to go off topic but the previous comments are not an accurate representation of the truth about the product line and company and needs to be clarified. Again, let us focus on how the Zchip works, even though comparisons to various products will be made from time to time as it is sometimes unaviodable.
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Jan 12, 2009, 02:03 AM
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Wow. And I am sure that if you polled 100 BMW owners, less than 1% would know what a Zchip is as well as most BMW tuners/shops. Neither argument of knowledge of both products on the market is relevant to the comparison question as both modify the MAP signal. Split Second is a very reputable aftermarket manufacturer and has a greater breadth of components than Zeitronix and been in the business for quite some time. Funny why most don't know the company. Anyone at SEMA in 2007 or who has read about SEMA would have noticed that Split Second won a 2007 award for its plug n play performance module, just like Zeitronix won a similar award in 2008. Those that follow the tuning scene surely would have notice Split second's parts featured on various Japanese brand vehicles over the years. You can check out their website to confirm their involvement and/or products. But let us please get back on topic. I will make a new thread to address the differences if it is necessary, although it sure would save time to have all this information in one thread. I am sorry to go off topic but the previous comments are not an accurate representation of the truth about the product line and company and needs to be clarified. Again, let us focus on how the Zchip works, even though comparisons to various products will be made from time to time as it is sometimes unaviodable.
Jan 12, 2009, 07:23 AM
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We have spoken about it, however no concrete plans yet to have this feature added. Even with the ability to program it at the ECU we have decided against it for a number of reasons and gone back to Forge UNOS.
If for whatever reason an overboost code surfaces, no matter the tuning interface, it WILL reduce the boost level with ECU controlled boost.
We do not want the car to have the ability to take over boost control on its own. Especially when using high boost at the dragstrip and shooting for record breaking performance.
If for whatever reason an overboost code surfaces, no matter the tuning interface, it WILL reduce the boost level with ECU controlled boost.
We do not want the car to have the ability to take over boost control on its own. Especially when using high boost at the dragstrip and shooting for record breaking performance.
Jan 12, 2009, 07:27 AM
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We have spoken about it, however no concrete plans yet to have this feature added. Even with the ability to program it at the ECU we have decided against it for a number of reasons and gone back to Forge UNOS.
If for whatever reason an overboost code surfaces, no matter the tuning interface, it WILL reduce the boost level with ECU controlled boost.
We do not want the car to have the ability to take over boost control on its own. Especially when using high boost at the dragstrip and shooting for record breaking performance.
If for whatever reason an overboost code surfaces, no matter the tuning interface, it WILL reduce the boost level with ECU controlled boost.
We do not want the car to have the ability to take over boost control on its own. Especially when using high boost at the dragstrip and shooting for record breaking performance.
Jan 12, 2009, 07:32 AM
#99
Not to take this offtopic, but on a side note...So you guys recommend using aftermarket boost control? I only ask because I have a greddy profec spec II from my turbo rsx, and was planning on using that but some people have said go with stock controlled boost when you get a tune. Most shops i see use MBC's, so i know the greddy would do fine, but I was just curious because I was going to sell the greddy if it's better to use the stock boost control with pill. Thanks for input.
Our 12.02 @ 113.03 wednesday was run on a forge unos manual controller, just as we have sold most of our ZChip owners.
Jan 12, 2009, 07:35 AM
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All of the fastest Evo X's use aftermarket control. ECU controlled boost sounds cool and all, but when it comes down to raw functionality and repeatability, then aftermarket control is the way to go.
Our 12.02 @ 113.03 wednesday was run on a forge unos manual controller, just as we have sold most of our ZChip owners.
Our 12.02 @ 113.03 wednesday was run on a forge unos manual controller, just as we have sold most of our ZChip owners.
Jan 13, 2009, 11:25 PM
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Jan 13, 2009, 11:48 PM
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Boost control is part of your package with the Z-Chip even if it cannot control boost, correct? Seems to correlate with this thread.
Thanks,
Jan 14, 2009, 08:05 AM
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All of the fastest Evo X's use aftermarket control. ECU controlled boost sounds cool and all, but when it comes down to raw functionality and repeatability, then aftermarket control is the way to go.
Our 12.02 @ 113.03 wednesday was run on a forge unos manual controller, just as we have sold most of our ZChip owners.
Our 12.02 @ 113.03 wednesday was run on a forge unos manual controller, just as we have sold most of our ZChip owners.
From what i have been told, by controling boost via ECU, the ecu knows it is getting more boost so it will not throw a code. Is this true??
Does the ZChip have a way to prevent CEL codes from popping up?
From where i live (Canada) i am getting alot of codes poping up due to the cold weather. The last thing i want is MORE CEL popping up every week.
Can i have some more incite?
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