View Poll Results: Which Intakes should we develop maps for?
COBB Tuning SFI
39
12.83%
Injen
53
17.43%
AEM
106
34.87%
K&N Typhoon
35
11.51%
ARC
22
7.24%
AMS
117
38.49%
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Poll: What intake maps for your AccessPORT? AEM avab now!
Jan 11, 2009 | 06:41 PM
#31
Jan 11, 2009 | 07:26 PM
#33
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Cobb, I am going to buy an access port next month, but I have a K&N drop in filter and am worried about the stage 1 tune not being compatible because of the load cell changes that even a drop in can affect. I read about 1 member with the HKS drop in having problems with this, and datalogging revealed a few counts of knock because of this. Also, I am curious as to why the stage 1 isn't a little more aggressive than it is, because most tuners are seeing an extra 20 whp from a custom tune on top of the stage 1.
Assuming that the stock filter is used, the stage 1 map seems a little tame. Granted, I know that for whatever reason, certain cars are more prone to detonation than others and that without being able to datalog each individual car, a conservative map is best, but can it not be a bit more aggressive and still stay within that safety threshold? The reason that I am bring this up is that until the race tuner software is out, I don't have an ability to get custom tuned because my local tuner doesn't have the pro tuner software. With this in mind, I would like to get as much safe power out of my OTS map as possible until I can get a custom tune.
Also, on a side note, I have a NISEI UICP, and was wondering if this would throw off a stage 1 tune. Since it's post maf, it won't affect the load cells, A/F ratio, timing, etc., but it will most likely increase the efficiency of the turbo and raise boost slightly. What are your thoughts? Since cobb makes an IC pipe kit, and seeing as how most UICPs are the exact same size, if you guys came out with say, a stage 1.5, for a drop in and an UICP, this would be great for people like me. Plus, these mods are very popular and common in the X community, so this might be a good map for you guys to consider making. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.
Assuming that the stock filter is used, the stage 1 map seems a little tame. Granted, I know that for whatever reason, certain cars are more prone to detonation than others and that without being able to datalog each individual car, a conservative map is best, but can it not be a bit more aggressive and still stay within that safety threshold? The reason that I am bring this up is that until the race tuner software is out, I don't have an ability to get custom tuned because my local tuner doesn't have the pro tuner software. With this in mind, I would like to get as much safe power out of my OTS map as possible until I can get a custom tune.
Also, on a side note, I have a NISEI UICP, and was wondering if this would throw off a stage 1 tune. Since it's post maf, it won't affect the load cells, A/F ratio, timing, etc., but it will most likely increase the efficiency of the turbo and raise boost slightly. What are your thoughts? Since cobb makes an IC pipe kit, and seeing as how most UICPs are the exact same size, if you guys came out with say, a stage 1.5, for a drop in and an UICP, this would be great for people like me. Plus, these mods are very popular and common in the X community, so this might be a good map for you guys to consider making. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.
Last edited by STi2EvoX; Jan 11, 2009 at 07:31 PM.
Jan 12, 2009 | 10:03 AM
#36
Cobb, I am going to buy an access port next month, but I have a K&N drop in filter and am worried about the stage 1 tune not being compatible because of the load cell changes that even a drop in can affect. I read about 1 member with the HKS drop in having problems with this, and datalogging revealed a few counts of knock because of this. Also, I am curious as to why the stage 1 isn't a little more aggressive than it is, because most tuners are seeing an extra 20 whp from a custom tune on top of the stage 1.
Assuming that the stock filter is used, the stage 1 map seems a little tame. Granted, I know that for whatever reason, certain cars are more prone to detonation than others and that without being able to datalog each individual car, a conservative map is best, but can it not be a bit more aggressive and still stay within that safety threshold? The reason that I am bring this up is that until the race tuner software is out, I don't have an ability to get custom tuned because my local tuner doesn't have the pro tuner software. With this in mind, I would like to get as much safe power out of my OTS map as possible until I can get a custom tune.
Also, on a side note, I have a NISEI UICP, and was wondering if this would throw off a stage 1 tune. Since it's post maf, it won't affect the load cells, A/F ratio, timing, etc., but it will most likely increase the efficiency of the turbo and raise boost slightly. What are your thoughts? Since cobb makes an IC pipe kit, and seeing as how most UICPs are the exact same size, if you guys came out with say, a stage 1.5, for a drop in and an UICP, this would be great for people like me. Plus, these mods are very popular and common in the X community, so this might be a good map for you guys to consider making. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.
Assuming that the stock filter is used, the stage 1 map seems a little tame. Granted, I know that for whatever reason, certain cars are more prone to detonation than others and that without being able to datalog each individual car, a conservative map is best, but can it not be a bit more aggressive and still stay within that safety threshold? The reason that I am bring this up is that until the race tuner software is out, I don't have an ability to get custom tuned because my local tuner doesn't have the pro tuner software. With this in mind, I would like to get as much safe power out of my OTS map as possible until I can get a custom tune.
Also, on a side note, I have a NISEI UICP, and was wondering if this would throw off a stage 1 tune. Since it's post maf, it won't affect the load cells, A/F ratio, timing, etc., but it will most likely increase the efficiency of the turbo and raise boost slightly. What are your thoughts? Since cobb makes an IC pipe kit, and seeing as how most UICPs are the exact same size, if you guys came out with say, a stage 1.5, for a drop in and an UICP, this would be great for people like me. Plus, these mods are very popular and common in the X community, so this might be a good map for you guys to consider making. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.
great questions I would like to hear some input on this as well.
Jan 13, 2009 | 08:35 AM
#38
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Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 260
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From: SLC, UT
I'm sorry for the delayed response our tuners are working overtime right now.
The drop-in filter will most likely affect your AFR potentially causing a unsafe condition.
When tuning for large sections of the US there are a few major and some minor aspects that need to be kept in mind. Fuel quality, weather, and over all differences from vehicle to vehicle are the major aspects. Starting with the latter, every vehicle off an assembly line is a little different causing differences in tunes. We could sample Evo X's until we found a particularly strong vehicle and tune our base maps to it right up to the cars threshold, but that leave the rest of the vehicles to deal with a tune they can't handle. Generally we like to be somewhere in the middle, with a touch of head room.
Lets say that strong vehicle was tuned in Washington in nice cool weather and now resides in a warmer section of AZ. There is a good possibility the car will no longer be able to run as well with the current tune due to the weather and fuel quality.
Unfortunately 91 octane fuel is not even close to the same across the US. The fuel vary in quality and mixtures making more difficult tuning all vehicle to their threshold with one regional map. This is why we have the AccessTuner Pro and Race, allowing our customers to be tuned right up to where the car is happy and sometimes beyond
There are other aspects to thing about such as how will this vehicle be driven? Street, track, auto-x, and/or how is this vehicle being treated in these situations.
There is more, but sure y'all can understand.
I don't believe we have seen the hard pipe kits add much in the way of volumetric efficiency, so I don't believe it should cause a problem. Don't quote me on that yet. I need to talk with our tuners to be 100% sure.
Thanks,
Cobb, I am going to buy an access port next month, but I have a K&N drop in filter and am worried about the stage 1 tune not being compatible because of the load cell changes that even a drop in can affect. I read about 1 member with the HKS drop in having problems with this, and datalogging revealed a few counts of knock because of this. Also, I am curious as to why the stage 1 isn't a little more aggressive than it is, because most tuners are seeing an extra 20 whp from a custom tune on top of the stage 1.
Assuming that the stock filter is used, the stage 1 map seems a little tame. Granted, I know that for whatever reason, certain cars are more prone to detonation than others and that without being able to datalog each individual car, a conservative map is best, but can it not be a bit more aggressive and still stay within that safety threshold? The reason that I am bring this up is that until the race tuner software is out, I don't have an ability to get custom tuned because my local tuner doesn't have the pro tuner software. With this in mind, I would like to get as much safe power out of my OTS map as possible until I can get a custom tune.
Assuming that the stock filter is used, the stage 1 map seems a little tame. Granted, I know that for whatever reason, certain cars are more prone to detonation than others and that without being able to datalog each individual car, a conservative map is best, but can it not be a bit more aggressive and still stay within that safety threshold? The reason that I am bring this up is that until the race tuner software is out, I don't have an ability to get custom tuned because my local tuner doesn't have the pro tuner software. With this in mind, I would like to get as much safe power out of my OTS map as possible until I can get a custom tune.
When tuning for large sections of the US there are a few major and some minor aspects that need to be kept in mind. Fuel quality, weather, and over all differences from vehicle to vehicle are the major aspects. Starting with the latter, every vehicle off an assembly line is a little different causing differences in tunes. We could sample Evo X's until we found a particularly strong vehicle and tune our base maps to it right up to the cars threshold, but that leave the rest of the vehicles to deal with a tune they can't handle. Generally we like to be somewhere in the middle, with a touch of head room.
Lets say that strong vehicle was tuned in Washington in nice cool weather and now resides in a warmer section of AZ. There is a good possibility the car will no longer be able to run as well with the current tune due to the weather and fuel quality.
Unfortunately 91 octane fuel is not even close to the same across the US. The fuel vary in quality and mixtures making more difficult tuning all vehicle to their threshold with one regional map. This is why we have the AccessTuner Pro and Race, allowing our customers to be tuned right up to where the car is happy and sometimes beyond
There are other aspects to thing about such as how will this vehicle be driven? Street, track, auto-x, and/or how is this vehicle being treated in these situations.
There is more, but sure y'all can understand.
Also, on a side note, I have a NISEI UICP, and was wondering if this would throw off a stage 1 tune. Since it's post maf, it won't affect the load cells, A/F ratio, timing, etc., but it will most likely increase the efficiency of the turbo and raise boost slightly. What are your thoughts? Since cobb makes an IC pipe kit, and seeing as how most UICPs are the exact same size, if you guys came out with say, a stage 1.5, for a drop in and an UICP, this would be great for people like me. Plus, these mods are very popular and common in the X community, so this might be a good map for you guys to consider making. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.
Thanks,
Jan 14, 2009 | 05:04 AM
#40
That K&N Drop in should be the best for the map you are going to create because it seems like all your maps evolve around the stock Intake... The next best thing to stock is the K&N drop in... Keeping it simple for stage 1 or stage 2 mods...
It's too hard to have a custom map for every intake system out there... Keep the Cobb old school base and do the stock drop in K&N...
It's too hard to have a custom map for every intake system out there... Keep the Cobb old school base and do the stock drop in K&N...
Jan 14, 2009 | 12:25 PM
#42
Evolving Member
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 104
Likes: 0
From: Calgary/Edmonton, AB
Has anyone heard anything on the timeline for the additional maps from Cobb... I'm particularly interested in the AEM... with the level of interest, I would think that would be one that they would be working on first...
Jan 14, 2009 | 04:05 PM
#43
how to get the AccessTuner Pro and Race softwares
i'm sort of confuse with how to get the AccessTuner Pro and Race softwares.
are these for free? some people say yes, other say no, others say yes, in the future
somebody help me whith the issue please
are these for free? some people say yes, other say no, others say yes, in the future
somebody help me whith the issue please
Jan 14, 2009 | 04:09 PM
#44
Accesstuner race is a program you can us at home doing your own map i think or tweaking or street tune your car on laptop or whatever...
YES THEY ARE FREE TO AP OWNERS
Jan 14, 2009 | 04:47 PM
#45
Evolving Member
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 104
Likes: 0
From: Calgary/Edmonton, AB
To clarify, only the Accesstuner Race is free to AP Owners (but it is not yet available)... Accesstuner Pro is sold to dealers and, while they essentially perform the same functions, it allows Tuners to "lock" their maps so that they can't be messed with by others...