Is it worth voiding the "Warranty"
Jun 13, 2013, 10:18 AM
#16
no, it doesn't. not that they can see anyways.
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Jun 13, 2013, 10:27 AM
#17
cool. i been playing with a spare ecu as well .. doing some memory addressing for some additional maps ( aka like tephra v7 , i want valet mode lol) , i did see it on my terminal ( the counter) , and saw it on my friends ecu ( going up)
glad to know that a dealer can't see it , and if they wanted it to it would take a long time for them to dig it up.
glad to know that a dealer can't see it , and if they wanted it to it would take a long time for them to dig it up.
Jun 13, 2013, 10:32 AM
#18
cool. i been playing with a spare ecu as well .. doing some memory addressing for some additional maps ( aka like tephra v7 , i want valet mode lol) , i did see it on my terminal ( the counter) , and saw it on my friends ecu ( going up)
glad to know that a dealer can't see it , and if they wanted it to it would take a long time for them to dig it up.
glad to know that a dealer can't see it , and if they wanted it to it would take a long time for them to dig it up.
now, you can certainly **** the dealership off and they can Red Tag your VIN code and screw you, but in general, they get paid for warranty work and don't mind doing it at all.
if you got any more specific questions, I'd gladly ask him for you. He's way cool. First time I came in for warranty on my t-case he goes "sniff...sniff...running E85?"I was like oh ****, I'm screwed. But I said "yeah...".
I pick it up a few hours later after diagnosis just sweating bullets about warranty! He goes "man...i took that thing out...sonof***** is FAST!! Anyways, I ordered you a new t-case, somethings leaking that's for sure. No charge."
Jun 13, 2013, 10:34 AM
#19
I'm glad you said that. Go ahead and get it tuned. You'll get better mpg and power. If you were to keep it stock and just get it tuned.
Maybe if something goes wrong you can ask JMS to flash the stock tune back on so you can go back to the dealership and have them fix whatever goes wrong. I can't imagine JMS charging you anything to do that. It literally takes seconds to flash the car. Then have them flash the tune back on once you get it fixed?
Maybe if something goes wrong you can ask JMS to flash the stock tune back on so you can go back to the dealership and have them fix whatever goes wrong. I can't imagine JMS charging you anything to do that. It literally takes seconds to flash the car. Then have them flash the tune back on once you get it fixed?
Jun 13, 2013, 10:37 AM
#21
yeah you are waaaaaaay ahead of anything even the factory trained evo guy uses
now, you can certainly **** the dealership off and they can Red Tag your VIN code and screw you, but in general, they get paid for warranty work and don't mind doing it at all.
if you got any more specific questions, I'd gladly ask him for you. He's way cool. First time I came in for warranty on my t-case he goes "sniff...sniff...running E85?"I was like oh ****, I'm screwed. But I said "yeah...".
I pick it up a few hours later after diagnosis just sweating bullets about warranty! He goes "man...i took that thing out...sonof***** is FAST!! Anyways, I ordered you a new t-case, somethings leaking that's for sure. No charge."
now, you can certainly **** the dealership off and they can Red Tag your VIN code and screw you, but in general, they get paid for warranty work and don't mind doing it at all.
if you got any more specific questions, I'd gladly ask him for you. He's way cool. First time I came in for warranty on my t-case he goes "sniff...sniff...running E85?"I was like oh ****, I'm screwed. But I said "yeah...".
I pick it up a few hours later after diagnosis just sweating bullets about warranty! He goes "man...i took that thing out...sonof***** is FAST!! Anyways, I ordered you a new t-case, somethings leaking that's for sure. No charge."
I just moved to this new area I guess i have to start asking locals about warranty work shortly lol
Jun 13, 2013, 10:40 AM
#22
i haven't take mine to the dealership yet other than its first oil change. which was a mistake. i am missing my access panel to the oil canister and the suckers wouldn't replace it .. so i said screw the dealer lol
I just moved to this new area I guess i have to start asking locals about warranty work shortly lol
I just moved to this new area I guess i have to start asking locals about warranty work shortly lol
If it were me, and what I did when the dealership changed hands here, is just go down and BS with them. You can order that panel at the Parts counter, kinda BS with the guy. Maybe schedule the oil change and tip the guy $20 bucks. The dealer here was so cool when I dealt with them that I tipped the tech $20, tipped the service writer $20 too. Got me a 2012 Hyundai loaner car for 3 weeks and a free t-case. They even installed my catback/wideband for me for free since they had to pull the exhaust to pull the t-case anyways. Years later, I get my a-pillar cores there that I make the pods with, and I get fast service, great prices, and the parts guy loves me cuz I order thousands of dollars worth of pillars at a time
Jun 13, 2013, 10:43 AM
#23
Evolved Member
So do they sell stock ECU's? Can you just buy a new ECU, install it, and mod. Then if you need serious warranty work, revert to stock and install your original ECU?
I still question if Mitsu can count the flashes on the ECU. I think at the dealer level for smaller repair they wont bother. But if you have something expensive needing to be covered, I think they may dig around in the ECU. Don't see why they wouldn't have that ability if they wanted to.
I still question if Mitsu can count the flashes on the ECU. I think at the dealer level for smaller repair they wont bother. But if you have something expensive needing to be covered, I think they may dig around in the ECU. Don't see why they wouldn't have that ability if they wanted to.
Jun 13, 2013, 10:47 AM
#24
So do they sell stock ECU's? Can you just buy a new ECU, install it, and mod. Then if you need serious warranty work, revert to stock and install your original ECU?
I still question if Mitsu can count the flashes on the ECU. I think at the dealer level for smaller repair they wont bother. But if you have something expensive needing to be covered, I think they may dig around in the ECU. Don't see why they wouldn't have that ability if they wanted to.
I still question if Mitsu can count the flashes on the ECU. I think at the dealer level for smaller repair they wont bother. But if you have something expensive needing to be covered, I think they may dig around in the ECU. Don't see why they wouldn't have that ability if they wanted to.
Their MIT Terminal doesn't have the ability to see that deep in the ECU, and, usually the dealer doesn't care. Mitsu PAYS THEM for warranty repair. They want to do it. The decision is made by someone outside the dealership, and he only gets involved if it's something like a blown motor, bent rod, etc. Something that screams "void!". Each area is handled by a Mitsu rep. The dealership will always WANT to do the repair-it's how they get paid-it comes down to the discretion of the Mits warranty guy, and he would only get involved in a big claim or repetative customer. Mits doesn't own the dealership or service departments, they're all franchised. Half of the warranty problems is Mits getting scammed by dealers more than anything else. Mits doesn't have a hard-on to deny claims by customers.
Just roll with a Cobb AP. I've had them on all 3 of my X's, 4 years, combined 80k miles or more, no issues. Got my ProTune from hollywood_x on all of them with the Cobb AP. I breeze through emissions, get 20mpg, and havent had a single part failure.
Jun 13, 2013, 10:49 AM
#25
I ran a test the other day..
You can bench flash a stock lancer ECU with an evo rom .. so the good part of that is that you can find them for cheap anywhere..
what you can't do yet is "flash a vin" with your standard of the shelf unit .. MUTIII is needed .. I know tephra had something in the works but he has been kinda awol for a bit
( i was trying to get the TPMS mod from him).
btw this was only a flash, i haven't tested it on a car yet since i can't get the VIN changed. Gotta find a service guy to help me test it
So the dealer would be the one flashing the vin , how much they would charge? dunno
never really ventured into doing it
You can bench flash a stock lancer ECU with an evo rom .. so the good part of that is that you can find them for cheap anywhere..
what you can't do yet is "flash a vin" with your standard of the shelf unit .. MUTIII is needed .. I know tephra had something in the works but he has been kinda awol for a bit
( i was trying to get the TPMS mod from him). btw this was only a flash, i haven't tested it on a car yet since i can't get the VIN changed. Gotta find a service guy to help me test it
So the dealer would be the one flashing the vin , how much they would charge? dunno
never really ventured into doing it
Last edited by FastAttack; Jun 13, 2013 at 10:52 AM.
Jun 13, 2013, 11:06 AM
#26
I ran a test the other day..
You can bench flash a stock lancer ECU with an evo rom .. so the good part of that is that you can find them for cheap anywhere..
what you can't do yet is "flash a vin" with your standard of the shelf unit .. MUTIII is needed .. I know tephra had something in the works but he has been kinda awol for a bit ( i was trying to get the TPMS mod from him).
btw this was only a flash, i haven't tested it on a car yet since i can't get the VIN changed. Gotta find a service guy to help me test it
So the dealer would be the one flashing the vin , how much they would charge? dunno
never really ventured into doing it
You can bench flash a stock lancer ECU with an evo rom .. so the good part of that is that you can find them for cheap anywhere..
what you can't do yet is "flash a vin" with your standard of the shelf unit .. MUTIII is needed .. I know tephra had something in the works but he has been kinda awol for a bit
( i was trying to get the TPMS mod from him). btw this was only a flash, i haven't tested it on a car yet since i can't get the VIN changed. Gotta find a service guy to help me test it
So the dealer would be the one flashing the vin , how much they would charge? dunno
never really ventured into doing it
Jun 13, 2013, 12:14 PM
#28
Evolved Member
How much are they? Might be a possibility for someone like me with a stock Evo. I havent modded yet. So if I install this ECU and then mod, it would work out good. If I had to take the car in for warranty work then I could put my original back in and all the numbers would match up.
Jun 13, 2013, 01:00 PM
#30
Evolving Member
To make this matter short and sweet. I work at Mitsu and have access to the scan tool. If the car was flashed the number changes simple as that. The number is allocated to the vin number on your car. If that number stays the same there's no way for them to tell that you have flashed your car other than if your bring it in with a blown engine and they see that the ecu was reset 30 miles ago you might run into a problem. Other than that there is no "black box" like the GRT's that records what you have done to the car. The acessport DOES NOT CHANGE THE NUMBERS when you "uninstall" it from the vehicle.