AGP vs AMS FMIC
Mar 18, 2008, 06:31 PM
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AGP vs AMS FMIC
Im looking at upgrading the intercooler on the EVO X.
Both AGP and AMS FMICs are the same size. Can anyone shed some light as to which one would be the better buy?
Only difference I see is a $200 price tag difference.
Both AGP and AMS FMICs are the same size. Can anyone shed some light as to which one would be the better buy?
Only difference I see is a $200 price tag difference.
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Mar 18, 2008, 10:40 PM
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Honestly, I think that we're all going to be pretty equal in the realm of FMICs on this car (without cutting, that is). We're about to release our own version out there as well, and to be honest, as much as I'd like to say it's "better then the AMS version" it's probably not going to be any better or worse then what they have.
It's all going to be an issue of who stands behind their product and who puts the time into their product to make it worthy of your money.
One thing I will say is that as much as some people push other products out there (I.E., "thicker cores for .00X more flow") remember that some of us realize that completely taking up every thousandth of an inch in front of the A/C condensor to squeeze the thickest core available in there might be able to claim "less pressure drop @ XXXX CFM of flow". This sounds great even if (according to them) "you're not going for that much flow--it's still less resistence, thus more power", but look back over history and see how many people have issues cramming such a core in there and overheating in day-to-day situations. Do a quick search for overheating issues on these cores and see the trend for yourself.
Yes, we all want "peak performance" for each part we purchase (I've been on the buyers side as well, like the rest of us) but gaining another 5whp to have a car that overheats on our daily commute during warm weather isn't always the best compromise.
Just some food for thought.
Josh
JNZ Tuning, Inc.
www.jnztuning.com
It's all going to be an issue of who stands behind their product and who puts the time into their product to make it worthy of your money.
One thing I will say is that as much as some people push other products out there (I.E., "thicker cores for .00X more flow") remember that some of us realize that completely taking up every thousandth of an inch in front of the A/C condensor to squeeze the thickest core available in there might be able to claim "less pressure drop @ XXXX CFM of flow". This sounds great even if (according to them) "you're not going for that much flow--it's still less resistence, thus more power", but look back over history and see how many people have issues cramming such a core in there and overheating in day-to-day situations. Do a quick search for overheating issues on these cores and see the trend for yourself.
Yes, we all want "peak performance" for each part we purchase (I've been on the buyers side as well, like the rest of us) but gaining another 5whp to have a car that overheats on our daily commute during warm weather isn't always the best compromise.
Just some food for thought.
Josh
JNZ Tuning, Inc.
www.jnztuning.com
Mar 19, 2008, 02:05 AM
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You can't go wrong with AMS, but I have the AGP and so does my co worker. The AGP is awesome and we love it but don't doubt the AMS works just as well. I have not done any flow testing, but at this level its like "come on". They both work fine.
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Honestly, I think that we're all going to be pretty equal in the realm of FMICs on this car (without cutting, that is). We're about to release our own version out there as well, and to be honest, as much as I'd like to say it's "better then the AMS version" it's probably not going to be any better or worse then what they have.
It's all going to be an issue of who stands behind their product and who puts the time into their product to make it worthy of your money.
One thing I will say is that as much as some people push other products out there (I.E., "thicker cores for .00X more flow") remember that some of us realize that completely taking up every thousandth of an inch in front of the A/C condensor to squeeze the thickest core available in there might be able to claim "less pressure drop @ XXXX CFM of flow". This sounds great even if (according to them) "you're not going for that much flow--it's still less resistence, thus more power", but look back over history and see how many people have issues cramming such a core in there and overheating in day-to-day situations. Do a quick search for overheating issues on these cores and see the trend for yourself.
Yes, we all want "peak performance" for each part we purchase (I've been on the buyers side as well, like the rest of us) but gaining another 5whp to have a car that overheats on our daily commute during warm weather isn't always the best compromise.
Just some food for thought.
Josh
JNZ Tuning, Inc.
www.jnztuning.com
It's all going to be an issue of who stands behind their product and who puts the time into their product to make it worthy of your money.
One thing I will say is that as much as some people push other products out there (I.E., "thicker cores for .00X more flow") remember that some of us realize that completely taking up every thousandth of an inch in front of the A/C condensor to squeeze the thickest core available in there might be able to claim "less pressure drop @ XXXX CFM of flow". This sounds great even if (according to them) "you're not going for that much flow--it's still less resistence, thus more power", but look back over history and see how many people have issues cramming such a core in there and overheating in day-to-day situations. Do a quick search for overheating issues on these cores and see the trend for yourself.
Yes, we all want "peak performance" for each part we purchase (I've been on the buyers side as well, like the rest of us) but gaining another 5whp to have a car that overheats on our daily commute during warm weather isn't always the best compromise.
Just some food for thought.
Josh
JNZ Tuning, Inc.
www.jnztuning.com
Similar to our thread I posted above.
Mar 19, 2008, 06:16 AM
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Hopefully I can get some "local" tips off you someday... Good luck!
Mar 19, 2008, 08:56 AM
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Our cores have been proven to make big power and big results.
When shopping for an IC core dont just look at numbers look at real world experiences.
our EVO X core is the same core we use on our EVO VIII. Proven to over 600whp and the Very same core we run on our Time attack EVO VIII.
There are claims...and then there is proof
Eric
When shopping for an IC core dont just look at numbers look at real world experiences.
our EVO X core is the same core we use on our EVO VIII. Proven to over 600whp and the Very same core we run on our Time attack EVO VIII.
There are claims...and then there is proof
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Our cores have been proven to make big power and big results.
When shopping for an IC core dont just look at numbers look at real world experiences.
our EVO X core is the same core we use on our EVO VIII. Proven to over 600whp and the Very same core we run on our Time attack EVO VIII.
There are claims...and then there is proof
Eric
When shopping for an IC core dont just look at numbers look at real world experiences.
our EVO X core is the same core we use on our EVO VIII. Proven to over 600whp and the Very same core we run on our Time attack EVO VIII.
There are claims...and then there is proof
Eric
Mar 19, 2008, 07:38 PM
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AMS= "bar & plate" core similar to precision. AGP= from what it looks like in the picture "tube & fin" core like the stock one but possibly thicker. Im not saying the AGP core isn't better than stock, but it might limit higher horsepower unlike the AMS core. Someone please correct me if im wrong
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AMS= "bar & plate" core similar to precision. AGP= from what it looks like in the picture "tube & fin" core like the stock one but possibly thicker. Im not saying the AGP core isn't better than stock, but it might limit higher horsepower unlike the AMS core. Someone please correct me if im wrong
The AGP FMIC is a US made Bar and Plate core. We pressure test each one to 50psi before it ships to assure it is leak free. One thing that may make a difference is the 3" outlet on ours will mate to the stock 'cold side' pipe with a reducer(included) and mate directly to our 3" mandrel bent 'cold side' pipe that will be out in a couple weeks.
Kevin@AGP