FMIC AMS v. ETS v. Perrin (Discussion)
May 5, 2009, 02:40 PM
#31
I have never seen an AGP intercooler, so i'm not sure about the inlet/outlet size. The comment was a general comment and not directed towards AGP, AMS or Perrin.
Eric,
Sounds good! This comment was not directed towards your company, just what we have seen in the industry.
Thanks,
Michael
If needed, I can post up examples of cast inlet/outlets vs tube inlet/outlets for size reference.
We we asked not to come in here but just to clear the air our cast end tanks are VERY light. The cast version compared to the sheet metal is withing a pound of each other on a fully assembled FMIC. Weight is a non issue. Also there is no replacement for how smooth you can get a cast piece for airflow compared to a sheet metal version. There is a big reason we went to cast on the end tanks from our previous sheet metal version. Stronger and better design to optimize airflow. Its not going to translate into some massive difference in HP but every little bit helps.
Again sorry, I just wanted to make sure no misinformation was spread.
Eric
Again sorry, I just wanted to make sure no misinformation was spread.
Eric
Sounds good! This comment was not directed towards your company, just what we have seen in the industry.
Thanks,
Michael
If needed, I can post up examples of cast inlet/outlets vs tube inlet/outlets for size reference.
May 5, 2009, 08:54 PM
#37
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Again this is not the exact same intercooler. I don't know of any other company that uses the cores we do. This is in no way saying an AGP unit is inferior. We have not done back to back testing to prove its performance. I am saying however your statement is not correct. They are not the same core of intercooler.
Eric
Eric
"Does one style core cool better than another?
No, almost no difference. With three decades of testing intercooler’s, we have found no appreciable difference between any core style or manufacturer. Keep in mind, that the merit of a core is it’s efficiency versus its internal drag characteristics. When sized for a tolerable flow loss, virtually all cores will produce essentially the same efficiency results. Perhaps a core with slightly less flow area per linear inch, or one with longer tubes, will need perhaps 5% more tubes to equal the best of intercooler’s with regard to flow loss and efficiency. Not a very important difference"
No, almost no difference. With three decades of testing intercooler’s, we have found no appreciable difference between any core style or manufacturer. Keep in mind, that the merit of a core is it’s efficiency versus its internal drag characteristics. When sized for a tolerable flow loss, virtually all cores will produce essentially the same efficiency results. Perhaps a core with slightly less flow area per linear inch, or one with longer tubes, will need perhaps 5% more tubes to equal the best of intercooler’s with regard to flow loss and efficiency. Not a very important difference"
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May 5, 2009, 09:11 PM
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Come on, thought this thread was to talk about the specs/gains? Not vendos trying to push their products...anyway i just picked up a intercooler from AGP for 550 shipped 
I wanted the AMS one but i couldn't justify spending $250.00 more on the exact same intercooler...AGP IC is actually bigger.
AMS:
699.00 IC
50.00 Tax (required on their site)
50.00 Ship
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800.00 Total
AGP:
550.00 Shipped
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I wanted the AMS one but i couldn't justify spending $250.00 more on the exact same intercooler...AGP IC is actually bigger.
AMS:
699.00 IC
50.00 Tax (required on their site)
50.00 Ship
______________________
800.00 Total
AGP:
550.00 Shipped
No Brainer
May 5, 2009, 09:14 PM
#40
Yeah, but I'm sure that most manufactures or sub companies get their cores from some company in Mexico then it redistributed under a bunch of different names, etc... etc...
Either way, I do not believe one bit you are going to get a subpar products from AGP, AMS, ETS, PERRIN, etc... all reputable vendors.
Either way, I do not believe one bit you are going to get a subpar products from AGP, AMS, ETS, PERRIN, etc... all reputable vendors.
May 13, 2009, 07:10 AM
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I'd go with the perrin although the rest are as good , the perrin is a better quality IC hence the higher price tag, and @ empirepb210 i think if you asked them to stencil it they would I've seen a lot of inter coolers with perrin on the front although ti prefer my IC'S anodized.
May 13, 2009, 03:29 PM
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I'll be getting an ETS 4" FMIC in the near future. The deciding factor for me was that they have their own core design that is supposed to flow as well as the Garrett core (which I believe Ultimate Racing uses and is arguably one of the best core designs around) but unlike the Garrett, it allows for more airflow past the IC to also cool the radiator. Something not many people think about...