Ets t3 twin scroll turbo kit or ap t3 twin scroll turbo kit?
A larger turbine housing is definitely beneficial with an upgraded turbo. 
Nov 22, 2010, 01:28 PM
#35
Just an example.
Stock Block, Stock Head, Stock Cams (non opened motor)
Standard 35R 22psi = 457whp (Dynojet)
Standard 35R 32psi = 614whp (Dynojet)
On a black, it's going to take damn near 40psi to make 600whp plus a built motor.
Michael
Nov 22, 2010, 01:35 PM
#36
You should be building the motor regardless at 500+ anyway.
I am not at all trying to say a 35r is a bad idea...lord knows I will probably end up with one on my car shooting for 700whp...then 800whp in 2 years...then my dumb *** will probably be in the gutted X with cage slicks and 1000whp in 5 years...lol
I am just saying the black is still a great turbo option for a turbo that can spool up at 4k and make some great numbers...I make my 570whp at like 7500ish. Holding over 500whp for 3krpms and with the spool I have I am looking at almost 5k of powerband...But as you can see from the torque curve, it is choking out up top, I am hoping a nice tubular mani will keep that torque going more and I can hold peak power out further.
No denying that my setup with a nice basic 35r would make power stupid easy. I bet at 32 psi my built head/cams I make closer to 700whp where yours made 615...so yea might be a smart move....
I am not at all trying to say a 35r is a bad idea...lord knows I will probably end up with one on my car shooting for 700whp...then 800whp in 2 years...then my dumb *** will probably be in the gutted X with cage slicks and 1000whp in 5 years...lol
I am just saying the black is still a great turbo option for a turbo that can spool up at 4k and make some great numbers...I make my 570whp at like 7500ish. Holding over 500whp for 3krpms and with the spool I have I am looking at almost 5k of powerband...But as you can see from the torque curve, it is choking out up top, I am hoping a nice tubular mani will keep that torque going more and I can hold peak power out further.
No denying that my setup with a nice basic 35r would make power stupid easy. I bet at 32 psi my built head/cams I make closer to 700whp where yours made 615...so yea might be a smart move....
Nov 22, 2010, 01:49 PM
#37
You should be building the motor regardless at 500+ anyway.
I am not at all trying to say a 35r is a bad idea...lord knows I will probably end up with one on my car shooting for 700whp...then 800whp in 2 years...then my dumb *** will probably be in the gutted X with cage slicks and 1000whp in 5 years...lol
I am just saying the black is still a great turbo option for a turbo that can spool up at 4k and make some great numbers...I make my 570whp at like 7500ish. Holding over 500whp for 3krpms and with the spool I have I am looking at almost 5k of powerband...But as you can see from the torque curve, it is choking out up top, I am hoping a nice tubular mani will keep that torque going more and I can hold peak power out further.
No denying that my setup with a nice basic 35r would make power stupid easy. I bet at 32 psi my built head/cams I make closer to 700whp where yours made 615...so yea might be a smart move....
I am not at all trying to say a 35r is a bad idea...lord knows I will probably end up with one on my car shooting for 700whp...then 800whp in 2 years...then my dumb *** will probably be in the gutted X with cage slicks and 1000whp in 5 years...lol
I am just saying the black is still a great turbo option for a turbo that can spool up at 4k and make some great numbers...I make my 570whp at like 7500ish. Holding over 500whp for 3krpms and with the spool I have I am looking at almost 5k of powerband...But as you can see from the torque curve, it is choking out up top, I am hoping a nice tubular mani will keep that torque going more and I can hold peak power out further.
No denying that my setup with a nice basic 35r would make power stupid easy. I bet at 32 psi my built head/cams I make closer to 700whp where yours made 615...so yea might be a smart move....
We did run an HTA3586 at 33psi and made it in the 700's, but I was comparing a turbo that spools like the black.We were able to get a 35R w/ .63 A/R to spool around 4000-4200rpm and pull all the way to 9k RPM. This made for a great street setup. Also the torque was pretty amazing.
I guess the debate is up in the air. For me... I would rather buy once then buy twice. If you start with the 35R it's easily upgradeable to an HTA3582/86
Also at 18 psi with a 35R we were over 400whp, it's not a bad way to start out with lower then stock boost levels.
Michael
Nov 22, 2010, 01:55 PM
#38
Well your kit has a nice tubular mani though, which helps top end a lot over a stocker When I get one of those, I will decide if its stupid to do a black or just go right for the 35r...I agree a 35r is a much easier way to do it...its just easier to buy parts piece by piece.
I had no intentions of going this far with my car...blowing up a motor changes things.
When I get one of those, I will decide if its stupid to do a black or just go right for the 35r...I agree a 35r is a much easier way to do it...its just easier to buy parts piece by piece. I had no intentions of going this far with my car...blowing up a motor changes things.
Nov 22, 2010, 04:16 PM
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I don't want to jump too far in to this debate, because obviously a 35r will make more up top than a black. But... at 18psi, on the black I made 390 on a mustang, so over 400 at below stock boost there as well :-)
And for the guys who already spent thousands on bolt-ons, the black provides a good path. If I were totally stock, the only option would be ets 35r kit. But I was already invested, and I don't think I need more than 600whp, which the black can get me to :-)
And for the guys who already spent thousands on bolt-ons, the black provides a good path. If I were totally stock, the only option would be ets 35r kit. But I was already invested, and I don't think I need more than 600whp, which the black can get me to :-)
Nov 22, 2010, 07:14 PM
#40
I don't want to jump too far in to this debate, because obviously a 35r will make more up top than a black. But... at 18psi, on the black I made 390 on a mustang, so over 400 at below stock boost there as well :-)
And for the guys who already spent thousands on bolt-ons, the black provides a good path. If I were totally stock, the only option would be ets 35r kit. But I was already invested, and I don't think I need more than 600whp, which the black can get me to :-)
And for the guys who already spent thousands on bolt-ons, the black provides a good path. If I were totally stock, the only option would be ets 35r kit. But I was already invested, and I don't think I need more than 600whp, which the black can get me to :-)
Nov 23, 2010, 01:45 PM
#41
Ya, our numbers were on a standard 35R. I doubt a standard 35R is going to make 700whp We did run an HTA3586 at 33psi and made it in the 700's, but I was comparing a turbo that spools like the black.
We were able to get a 35R w/ .63 A/R to spool around 4000-4200rpm and pull all the way to 9k RPM. This made for a great street setup. Also the torque was pretty amazing.
I guess the debate is up in the air. For me... I would rather buy once then buy twice. If you start with the 35R it's easily upgradeable to an HTA3582/86
Also at 18 psi with a 35R we were over 400whp, it's not a bad way to start out with lower then stock boost levels.
Michael
We did run an HTA3586 at 33psi and made it in the 700's, but I was comparing a turbo that spools like the black.We were able to get a 35R w/ .63 A/R to spool around 4000-4200rpm and pull all the way to 9k RPM. This made for a great street setup. Also the torque was pretty amazing.
I guess the debate is up in the air. For me... I would rather buy once then buy twice. If you start with the 35R it's easily upgradeable to an HTA3582/86
Also at 18 psi with a 35R we were over 400whp, it's not a bad way to start out with lower then stock boost levels.
Michael
