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Old Dec 26, 2007, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Guerillah
The IX does not get better gas mileage, the EPA changed the way they rate cars.
Yes, but MT's actual mileage, which they always list, is actually down from before. Yes, this entire comparison was done at a track, but so was the comparison between the three '05 models (RS, VIII and MR) and they all had higher test mpg than the new one.
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Originally Posted by Guerillah
The IX does not get better gas mileage, the EPA changed the way they rate cars.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/
the ratings are 18/24 for my IX MR, and the X is rated at 17/22...in magazine tests the observed MPG has been 1-2mph worse on the X. the X is a disappointment on and off the track.
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I think it's funny that 95% if evo owners modify the hell out of them anyway. How many people on this board have TBE and a tune? We all want them faster; the main concern, i guess you could say, would be how well the X reacts to aftermarket tuning. The thing already handles like a beast. With coilovers and tuning it will hopefully: handle better, be similar HP-wise and be more refined. Not sure how much more you can ask for. If you are looking to drag race stock cars then get something other than an AWD sedan with less than 300HP.
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Originally Posted by blitzkrieg79
Well, I guess you have a right to compare Evo IX to Evo X but then again a more fair comparison would be if you would compare Evo VII (start of new platform) to Evo X (start of new platform) and in that comparison Evo X seems to be a better car.
Fair enough. Let's look at another Motortrend article in the interest of keeping it fair, specifically the 2003 Motortrend Speed Shootout featuring a 2003 Evolution:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/s...12_0306_spdint

2003 US Spec Evolution:

0-60: 4.59
1/4 mile: 13.08@105.12

Yeah, boy that car was slow back then!
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that ariticle sucks...i hate that they don't have a chart with all the test data on it so you can see what the cars did.
Old Dec 26, 2007, 04:12 PM
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? It has charts of all the test data you could possibly want.



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^ The previous evo's were in an elite club back then wow

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So WTF is up with the price nobody knows?
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Still nothing on pricing. After the "mom-mobile" article, they've got to be sh*tting bricks and have other things to worry about now
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Originally Posted by DrSmile
Fair enough. Let's look at another Motortrend article in the interest of keeping it fair, specifically the 2003 Motortrend Speed Shootout featuring a 2003 Evolution:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/s...12_0306_spdint

2003 US Spec Evolution:

0-60: 4.59
1/4 mile: 13.08@105.12

Yeah, boy that car was slow back then!
Those numbers were legitimately attained, but MT later stated in another issue that the track they tested the car on was an awesome one with a really grippy surface, hence why their testers could never muster similar numbers on any later Evo that should've hypothetically performed better.
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Originally Posted by DrSmile
Fair enough. Let's look at another Motortrend article in the interest of keeping it fair, specifically the 2003 Motortrend Speed Shootout featuring a 2003 Evolution:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/s...12_0306_spdint

2003 US Spec Evolution:

0-60: 4.59
1/4 mile: 13.08@105.12

Yeah, boy that car was slow back then!
Oh my god, what a difference 0.5 sec. makes I have seen Evo VII tests ranging from 5.2 to 4.6 sec 0-60 time so it really depends on the driver. I am more than sure Evo X will be similar although the car offers about the same power with an increased weight so I would guess 0-60 times would indeed be slower, however the electronic gadgetry will probably make Evo X a better track car. What I am guessing is that even with todays technology, 300HP out of a single turbo 2.0l motor is as far as Mitsu can do without losing reliability and being price competitive, guys in UK get the factory warranted FQ series but those cars are relatively expensive compared to base Evos with mods.

Reality is that Evo X is the most sophisticated Evo to date, increased in size, increased room, increased weight, better aerodynamics, much better looks, and it has an all-new untapped engine. I am more than sure that if Mitsubishi will feel the hea from competition they will either increase the displacement of the engine to get the heavier car moving as 2.0l doesn't really cut it anymore even with addition of turbos as shown by the gas mileage numbers of Evo X (engine seems too stressed or maybe unoptimized) or maybe they'll add a second turbo (making it twin-turbo). I wouldn't mind having an Evo with 6 cylinder 2.5l twin turbo engine, similar to previous generation Galant VR-4 in Japan. There comes a point in car weight when turbos won't help with anything and increase in displacement is really need it.

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DrSmile's not good at recognizing roman numerals as blitzkrieg was talking about the Evo VII....Motortrend reviewed the VIII in that link.
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^But the USDM market never had the evo VII only the VIII in 03' so there's really no test data for the U.S. market
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Originally Posted by billyblonco
^But the USDM market never had the evo VII only the VIII in 03' so there's really no test data for the U.S. market
Exactly, so even test data from an Evo VII wouldn't be a proper comparison since non-U.S. Evos don't have all the added weight from our required safety equipment that typically ends up being at least a 100 pound difference, usually a bit more. Even R&T tested a Euro-spec Evo VII in a comparison in 2002 and did 0-60 in 4.4 seconds, and they're generally not the best with getting maximum acceleration out of cars.
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Originally Posted by cksdayoff
DrSmile's not good at recognizing roman numerals as blitzkrieg was talking about the Evo VII....Motortrend reviewed the VIII in that link.
There is no US spec VII. It is generally agreed that the IX is faster than the VIII. And the difference is 0.8 seconds, which for most people is a LOT OF 1/4 MILE TIME!


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