SubieEvoGuy

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well if its a "claimed 320hp" then why not compare it 2 a fq320.

Crester

That particular picture is one of the better ones I've seen of the STi sedan. But in general... the car just looks bulbous and ugly. There's no way this thing can be considered better looking than the EVO X.

Noize

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At least it has a real engine. The EJ207 has a bigger turbo, is much more robust, and redlines a full 1800rpm higher!

The EJ257 we get is junk in comparison. The turbos spool slowly, particularly if you convert then to front mount intercooler, with tons of spool lag post shifts. The beauty of an EJ207 is that it can utilize power better because it has a much greater operating range.

I would not throw out my car, but I would actually buy an STI with an EJ207. I won't even consider an EJ257. I don't know why we get jipped with that big crummy engine.

Crester

Supposedly Americans like torque... that's why some Japanese cars here have larger displacement engines than their JDM counterparts.

journeymansteve

Dang, I love my Evo (4b11t) but I have to be more fair than a few posts. I would not, did not, could not, drop any dimes, lots (37k in STL) or few, for such an ugly thing as the hatchback in 2008 when the itch hit and I was gonna buy a real, and fun, and 'safe' (code words to a wife) faster car (ok, laugh yourselves there). But the STi Sedan version has to sound better than a X does, really, I was laughed at the track for a joke of a car, "stealth" steal power. And looks on this sedan are pretty decent. A Kia? I think we're over the top if we don't respect a car that's fast. Look at that Genesis. Hate to drive a Hyundai, but its faster than a G8 for heaven's sake.

But the reality is also that Subie mfr INTENTIONALLY left that dang soft suspension 'soft'. It was WRC viability. Because they are more interested in going back to that, they are intentionally going softer and more off-road than Mitsubishi decided to do with the X. To that end, we're not really in a position to "criticize" design goals -- we vote on the outcomes after that. Since the new STi's have come out and the X came out a couple years back, they've taken divergent "evolutionary" paths. IMO.

Crester

Do you really think Subaru gave the road-going STi a soft suspension so they could use the car in WRC?!?!? Really???

Subaru gave the STi a softer suspension because they are trying to go mass appeal with the STi. That explains why the STi is the way it is. The suspension is softer because the general public would find the previous STi suspension way too stiff... they upgraded the interior materials... they made it a hatchback in the hopes of people considering it more practical and versatile. With their goal being to make the STi a more mass appeal car... Subaru succeeded... the problem is... people who bought the STi just for its driving experience... pretty much got left in the dark here.

rashid.4v

The hatch didn't just come about for mass appeal, particularly when you consider that the US market supposedly hates wagons and hatches.

The hatch may have some mainstream consideration in it's design but the big push came from the rally drivers who claimed the hatch dimensions would give them a more overall competitive rally car. All the other winning teams were pushing hatches.

Petter Solberg pretty much put his foot up subaru's *** so they cold give him the hatch to compete in. He, in particular wanted a car with less overhang in the rear and the round proportions made it more aerodynamic for rallying.

Subaru not having won a championship in rally or been competitive complied and gave him along with the other rally contingent there hatch.
Unfortunately the next year Subaru stuck it's foot up Petter's *** by pulling out of rally altogether.

The hatch is currently the vehicle subaru's providing for any sponsored rally comps.

ToddMcF2002

No kidding. Next someone is going to tell me the fatty bench seating is WRC inspired.

journeymansteve

lol. USDM touch. Seriously, WRC cars, citroen and focus, are "hatchbacks" now, but I don't know if the suspension softness is really ready for off-road. At least I know the X is ready for tarmac. Oh, that I can vouch for!

journeymansteve

So yall think Subie will NEVER return to WRC? Me, I was thinking it was just hunkering down during the crappy economic downturn for 10 years or so, and would want to return when things pick back up again. I could be wrong, betting on the economy has not been my strong point -- whatever stocks I have invested in have gone down and never come back up (sadly, the companies also have never folded, had one acquired by Oracle after it languished for years)

journeymansteve

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...molgation.html

GPTourer

No. I think they will return, however I hear Toyota wants to get back into it too. Now that Toyota owns a significant portion of Subaru and they are collaborating on at least one project, I wonder if that could help or hinder Subaru if/when they do decide to go back.

Crester

How long is Toyota banned from WRC for?

Crester

I don't know about this hatchback for WRC thing either? Yes some of the other good cars are hatchbacks... but they are small 2-door hatchbacks... not bloated 5-door models...

ToddMcF2002

You have to admit though the EJ257 sounds soooooo much better than the Evo with a turbo back, especially under boost. Its ridiculous how aggressive it is! Everything you said is dead on though....