Evo X Mr Turned Down Because Of A/t
Apr 1, 2008, 11:01 PM
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I think the bottom line is that some of us just prefer to do the clutch ourselves for whatever reason (fun, reliability, durability, modability, etc). I personally did not opt out of the MR because I believe the 5spd is a faster way of getting around a track, but because i find a lot of fun in heel-toeing, rev matching, double clutching, etc. Personally I wanted the MR because of the bluetooth, bilsteins, 6th gear, and the sexy *** wheels/brakes, but decided that the tradeoffs (wait, price, trans) were not worth it.
I dont think the OP meant to get into a battle of which transmission is superior, but rather just wanted peoples general opinion on whether or not people opted out of the MR because, for whatever reason, they wanted a good old fashion manual.
So why all the bickering?
I dont think the OP meant to get into a battle of which transmission is superior, but rather just wanted peoples general opinion on whether or not people opted out of the MR because, for whatever reason, they wanted a good old fashion manual.
So why all the bickering?
Apr 1, 2008, 11:35 PM
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because threads like this bring out all the clueless idiots who thing they have to justify their purchase by ripping on things they clearly don't begin to understand. case in point:
^^ you are an idiot.
there are only 2 solid arguments against the SST: launch times (very few of us can honestly justify making that argument, and those few have sponsors) and max power potential (its not like the stock MT clutch is much/any better, but its easier to upgrade). Unless you have a DAMNED specific agenda that requires one of those, then the only reason to go for the MT is a) cant afford the MR, b) too insecure with you masculinity, or c) too ignorant to understand. Any other excuses are just people not being honest with themselves.
come to think of it, if the aftermarket is eventually able to service the TC-SST trans and mod it so it can handle more power and be tuned to take the abuse (more aggressive launch control), I'd expect any serious drag evo to run that over the 5MT, hands down.
there are only 2 solid arguments against the SST: launch times (very few of us can honestly justify making that argument, and those few have sponsors) and max power potential (its not like the stock MT clutch is much/any better, but its easier to upgrade). Unless you have a DAMNED specific agenda that requires one of those, then the only reason to go for the MT is a) cant afford the MR, b) too insecure with you masculinity, or c) too ignorant to understand. Any other excuses are just people not being honest with themselves.
come to think of it, if the aftermarket is eventually able to service the TC-SST trans and mod it so it can handle more power and be tuned to take the abuse (more aggressive launch control), I'd expect any serious drag evo to run that over the 5MT, hands down.
Apr 1, 2008, 11:46 PM
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I could also get around a track faster if I hired Sabine Schmitt to do the driving for me, but personally Id rather do it myself.
Apr 1, 2008, 11:50 PM
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Reading people's hate posts about the SST reminds me of when I used to read all the posts that had nothing but bad things to say about the X. It seemed like everywhere I went on the internet everyone was already calling the X out to be a total failure (and some people/posts still claim that the X is worthless).
But now the X is out and aftermarket vendors and tuners are starting to bring that true evo spirit out from under the matured creature comfort laden new body of the newest generation Evolution. The people who were hating on the X's possible performance potential are being defeated by dyno runs, track times, and first hand reports of how well the new car performs. So they often fall back on things such as "durability and reliability" which are yet to be proven.
As for those who hated on the new look of the X. Style and looks are subjective. To each his own. I have noticed that many people have posted comments such as "I used to hate the looks of the X but seeing it dropped and on those rims it looks hot". Have also seen more than a handful of VIII and IX owners trade in their previous Evos for the new X.
Another bone of contention I often read about is how overpriced the new X is. Obviously people who feel the X is overpriced have not called Sam or any of the other sales people from South Coast Mitsubishi. True the MR is very pricey but the GSR is well within the price ranges of anyone who was able to afford an VIII or IX.
I think its funny how many people seem to hate changes yet claim to be 'evolution' fans.
But now the X is out and aftermarket vendors and tuners are starting to bring that true evo spirit out from under the matured creature comfort laden new body of the newest generation Evolution. The people who were hating on the X's possible performance potential are being defeated by dyno runs, track times, and first hand reports of how well the new car performs. So they often fall back on things such as "durability and reliability" which are yet to be proven.
As for those who hated on the new look of the X. Style and looks are subjective. To each his own. I have noticed that many people have posted comments such as "I used to hate the looks of the X but seeing it dropped and on those rims it looks hot". Have also seen more than a handful of VIII and IX owners trade in their previous Evos for the new X.
Another bone of contention I often read about is how overpriced the new X is. Obviously people who feel the X is overpriced have not called Sam or any of the other sales people from South Coast Mitsubishi. True the MR is very pricey but the GSR is well within the price ranges of anyone who was able to afford an VIII or IX.
I think its funny how many people seem to hate changes yet claim to be 'evolution' fans.
Apr 2, 2008, 06:35 AM
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I don't see what the big deal is.
WRC cars have paddles since about 1993, and F1 longer.
People who like changing gear themselves are like the annoying people who still go on about how much better vinyl music is.
Nobody here can change gears quicker than this box, so it's faster. In a perfromance car that matters.
If some people perfer pulling on a long stick, thats their business.
Evo's always push the technology envelope - it's a pity some of their owners can't do the same..
A manual gearbox in traffic is a pita. This gives the best of both worlds with faster shifts, and pretty soon every car will have this type of box.
Get used to it.
WRC cars have paddles since about 1993, and F1 longer.
People who like changing gear themselves are like the annoying people who still go on about how much better vinyl music is.
Nobody here can change gears quicker than this box, so it's faster. In a perfromance car that matters.
If some people perfer pulling on a long stick, thats their business.
Evo's always push the technology envelope - it's a pity some of their owners can't do the same..
A manual gearbox in traffic is a pita. This gives the best of both worlds with faster shifts, and pretty soon every car will have this type of box.
Get used to it.
Apr 2, 2008, 07:10 AM
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because threads like this bring out all the clueless idiots who thing they have to justify their purchase by ripping on things they clearly don't begin to understand. case in point:
^^ you are an idiot.
there are only 2 solid arguments against the SST: launch times (very few of us can honestly justify making that argument, and those few have sponsors) and max power potential (its not like the stock MT clutch is much/any better, but its easier to upgrade). Unless you have a DAMNED specific agenda that requires one of those, then the only reason to go for the MT is a) cant afford the MR, b) too insecure with you masculinity, or c) too ignorant to understand. Any other excuses are just people not being honest with themselves.
come to think of it, if the aftermarket is eventually able to service the TC-SST trans and mod it so it can handle more power and be tuned to take the abuse (more aggressive launch control), I'd expect any serious drag evo to run that over the 5MT, hands down.
^^ you are an idiot.
there are only 2 solid arguments against the SST: launch times (very few of us can honestly justify making that argument, and those few have sponsors) and max power potential (its not like the stock MT clutch is much/any better, but its easier to upgrade). Unless you have a DAMNED specific agenda that requires one of those, then the only reason to go for the MT is a) cant afford the MR, b) too insecure with you masculinity, or c) too ignorant to understand. Any other excuses are just people not being honest with themselves.
come to think of it, if the aftermarket is eventually able to service the TC-SST trans and mod it so it can handle more power and be tuned to take the abuse (more aggressive launch control), I'd expect any serious drag evo to run that over the 5MT, hands down.
Apr 2, 2008, 08:34 AM
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Hold on for a sec.... I bought my evo because I love driving, and one of the things I love about driving is controlling the clutch myself. Are you saying that this is not a solid argument against the SST?
I could also get around a track faster if I hired Sabine Schmitt to do the driving for me, but personally Id rather do it myself.
I could also get around a track faster if I hired Sabine Schmitt to do the driving for me, but personally Id rather do it myself.
I need to copy my signature from m3forum and use it here.
Factual:
1) M/T can launch harder
2) SST can shift faster
Beyond that its really personal preference. If you like to row your own, I'm happy for you. But the computer in my car controls my fuel, ignition timing, navigation, Ipod, air/fuel mixture, acceleration, traction/handling, etc. I'm not overly concerned if it does some of the transmission work as well....as long as I can pick what gear I am in, whats the difference? To me, none. To you, it might be boring. Its simply personal preference.
Apr 2, 2008, 08:34 AM
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Apr 2, 2008, 09:11 AM
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and hilarious picture.
Its been the same regurgitated argument against the sst for months now. "I drove a tiburon once with tiptronic and it was garbage! This is also despite the fact any reviewer who's driven the car has nothing but praises to sing about the sst and how it performs -that its about as close to a formula 1 shifting experience as you can get, etc.
Mods may want to consider making a sticky "SST sux for the X even though I've never driven a X with SST" mega-merge.
Apr 2, 2008, 09:14 AM
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+1
and hilarious picture.
Its been the same regurgitated argument against the sst for months now. "I drove a tiburon once with tiptronic and it was garbage! This is also despite the fact any reviewer who's driven the car has nothing but praises to sing about the sst and how it performs -that its about as close to a formula 1 shifting experience as you can get, etc.
Mods may want to consider making a sticky "SST sux for the X even though I've never driven a X with SST" mega-merge.
and hilarious picture.
Its been the same regurgitated argument against the sst for months now. "I drove a tiburon once with tiptronic and it was garbage! This is also despite the fact any reviewer who's driven the car has nothing but praises to sing about the sst and how it performs -that its about as close to a formula 1 shifting experience as you can get, etc.
Mods may want to consider making a sticky "SST sux for the X even though I've never driven a X with SST" mega-merge.