Evo X Mr Turned Down Because Of A/t
Apr 2, 2008 | 02:32 PM
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I just couldn't see myself in a car that I couldn't get that slam in clutch, banging gears feeling .. a two pedal evo?? ... eh I didn't even consider it .. and I woulda probably bought the MR if it was a true manual ..
Apr 2, 2008 | 03:04 PM
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Sorry but there should be one minor correction in your statement above.
Yes the SST can drive like an A/T if you want it to.
BUT if you have it set to manual mode, the car will not shift until you shift it.
That is a big difference in comparison to a blanket statement that the car shifts like an A/T. It's been mentioned more than once by the same person in this thread and yet it's still being over-looked.
My take on the SST behavior based on the release document that
put out is that you could bounce the car off the rev limiter in say 2nd gear until you shift (by using the paddle or the stick) to go to third.
Which is what I can do today with my M/T, only difference is now with the SST the clutch actuation is done via an ecu signal.
Yes the SST can drive like an A/T if you want it to.
BUT if you have it set to manual mode, the car will not shift until you shift it.
That is a big difference in comparison to a blanket statement that the car shifts like an A/T. It's been mentioned more than once by the same person in this thread and yet it's still being over-looked.
My take on the SST behavior based on the release document that
put out is that you could bounce the car off the rev limiter in say 2nd gear until you shift (by using the paddle or the stick) to go to third. Which is what I can do today with my M/T, only difference is now with the SST the clutch actuation is done via an ecu signal.
Apr 2, 2008 | 04:19 PM
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Ok VW along with many other A/T have thoes where you can drive A/T or they can switch it over to a slap stick also but there still A/T. When the Evo X MR (in manual MODE) can switch from 6th gear to 3rd gear with out have to go 6gear, 5gear, 4gear, then 3gear let me know.
http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyoune...owDSGworks.htm
We all know it can't jump gears since it has to go in order (I was wrong, see note above). But, it can go from 6th...5th...4th...3rd faster than you can shift from 5th to 3rd in your GSR. For reference, VW's DSG downshifts in 200ms or .2 seconds. Shifting from 6th to 3rd would only take .6 seconds. The X's SST is supposed to shift just as fast as DSG.
So, as soon as you can knock off a perfect shift every single time (DSG and SST will also perfectly rev-match on a downshift) and do it faster than DSG or SST, let us know.
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Apr 2, 2008 | 04:34 PM
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EDIT: Just read something about DSG (not sure if it applies to SST). DSG can actually skip gears and go from 6th to 4th or 3rd or whatever gear you choose. And, upshifts are even faster than downshifts at 8 milliseconds. That's faster than you can blink an eye. So, what I posted below is a little off. The transmission will actually downshift even faster than I thought!
http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyoune...owDSGworks.htm
We all know it can't jump gears since it has to go in order (I was wrong, see note above). But, it can go from 6th...5th...4th...3rd faster than you can shift from 5th to 3rd in your GSR. For reference, VW's DSG downshifts in 200ms or .2 seconds. Shifting from 6th to 3rd would only take .6 seconds. The X's SST is supposed to shift just as fast as DSG.
So, as soon as you can knock off a perfect shift every single time (DSG and SST will also perfectly rev-match on a downshift) and do it faster than DSG or SST, let us know.
http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyoune...owDSGworks.htm
We all know it can't jump gears since it has to go in order (I was wrong, see note above). But, it can go from 6th...5th...4th...3rd faster than you can shift from 5th to 3rd in your GSR. For reference, VW's DSG downshifts in 200ms or .2 seconds. Shifting from 6th to 3rd would only take .6 seconds. The X's SST is supposed to shift just as fast as DSG.
So, as soon as you can knock off a perfect shift every single time (DSG and SST will also perfectly rev-match on a downshift) and do it faster than DSG or SST, let us know.
Apr 2, 2008 | 04:35 PM
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Apr 2, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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EDIT: Just read something about DSG (not sure if it applies to SST). DSG can actually skip gears and go from 6th to 4th or 3rd or whatever gear you choose. And, upshifts are even faster than downshifts at 8 milliseconds. That's faster than you can blink an eye. So, what I posted below is a little off. The transmission will actually downshift even faster than I thought!
http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyoune...owDSGworks.htm
We all know it can't jump gears since it has to go in order (I was wrong, see note above). But, it can go from 6th...5th...4th...3rd faster than you can shift from 5th to 3rd in your GSR. For reference, VW's DSG downshifts in 200ms or .2 seconds. Shifting from 6th to 3rd would only take .6 seconds. The X's SST is supposed to shift just as fast as DSG.
So, as soon as you can knock off a perfect shift every single time (DSG and SST will also perfectly rev-match on a downshift) and do it faster than DSG or SST, let us know.
http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyoune...owDSGworks.htm
We all know it can't jump gears since it has to go in order (I was wrong, see note above). But, it can go from 6th...5th...4th...3rd faster than you can shift from 5th to 3rd in your GSR. For reference, VW's DSG downshifts in 200ms or .2 seconds. Shifting from 6th to 3rd would only take .6 seconds. The X's SST is supposed to shift just as fast as DSG.
So, as soon as you can knock off a perfect shift every single time (DSG and SST will also perfectly rev-match on a downshift) and do it faster than DSG or SST, let us know.
You beat me to it....
Here's another reference of shift speeds up and down for various transmissions.
http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...ch_gear_manual
Apr 2, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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Apr 2, 2008 | 04:45 PM
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well, if you like to actually drive fast then get the MR, if you want to feel like you are going fast then get the GSR. This forum is starting to sound like a group of hippies... its not about the numbers its how you feeeel man..
Apr 2, 2008 | 04:46 PM
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EDIT: Just read something about DSG (not sure if it applies to SST). DSG can actually skip gears and go from 6th to 4th or 3rd or whatever gear you choose. And, upshifts are even faster than downshifts at 8 milliseconds. That's faster than you can blink an eye. So, what I posted below is a little off. The transmission will actually downshift even faster than I thought!
http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyoune...owDSGworks.htm
We all know it can't jump gears since it has to go in order (I was wrong, see note above). But, it can go from 6th...5th...4th...3rd faster than you can shift from 5th to 3rd in your GSR. For reference, VW's DSG downshifts in 200ms or .2 seconds. Shifting from 6th to 3rd would only take .6 seconds. The X's SST is supposed to shift just as fast as DSG.
So, as soon as you can knock off a perfect shift every single time (DSG and SST will also perfectly rev-match on a downshift) and do it faster than DSG or SST, let us know.
http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyoune...owDSGworks.htm
We all know it can't jump gears since it has to go in order (I was wrong, see note above). But, it can go from 6th...5th...4th...3rd faster than you can shift from 5th to 3rd in your GSR. For reference, VW's DSG downshifts in 200ms or .2 seconds. Shifting from 6th to 3rd would only take .6 seconds. The X's SST is supposed to shift just as fast as DSG.
So, as soon as you can knock off a perfect shift every single time (DSG and SST will also perfectly rev-match on a downshift) and do it faster than DSG or SST, let us know.
Apr 2, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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Not certain if the math works that linearly. One of the links in the post above says that shifting from 6th to 2nd gear takes 900ms, so .9 seconds.
Apr 2, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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To quote a friend in an argument he was having..."Just because i dont mod or track my evo doesn't mean i shouldnt have one. My reasons for having one don't have to match yours"...Everyone has their preference. You can change the fact there still will be people buying the Evo X MR and some will not. Leave it at that and stop complaining 
Apr 2, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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To quote a friend in an argument he was having..."Just because i dont mod or track my evo doesn't mean i shouldnt have one. My reasons for having one don't have to match yours"...Everyone has their preference. You can change the fact there still will be people buying the Evo X MR and some will not. Leave it at that and stop complaining
Apr 2, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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Ok VW along with many other A/T have thoes where you can drive A/T or they can switch it over to a slap stick also but there still A/T. When the Evo X MR (in manual MODE) can switch from 6th gear to 3rd gear with out have to go 6gear, 5gear, 4gear, then 3gear let me know.
Now, while racing (and all of those other forms of driving that imply driving the car at 7 tenths or higher) if you are doing full blown 6th gear you would have to be driving over 140 mph in order to make sense to do so. If you want to downshift to 3rd you first have to slow down to around 100 mph at least or even lower. In order to do so it will take much more time then to just slap the shifter into the 3rd. Yes, you might even be able to do so in your 5 speed EVO, but you might not be able to tell us about since you would have a great chance to hurt your self beyond what should be acceptable. So, the time you will need to actually slow the car so you can actually use that 3rd gear effectively is way longer then it takes any trainy to go from 6th to 3rd.
Either way, what you are claiming here has no serious use in driving and especially racing of the car. So, could you tell us again why did you raise this to such a high level??
And remember, your car which is so superior doesn't even have a 6th gear to go to 3rd!
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