Evo X vs. modern BMW cars (All X General threads merged)
Jan 3, 2008, 02:10 PM
#212
so i guess we are lucky in here ...or maybe just me. I even got the Volvo s40 turbo when my murano broked down... The loan car was new and only had 120 miles in it,we used it over 2 weeks! that was a enterprise car.. 
we know all of limits for the volvo s40 turbo for sure...
we know all of limits for the volvo s40 turbo for sure...
Jan 3, 2008, 03:37 PM
#214
Not really...here is something that completely contradicts what you just wote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLs7WGgTbAg
car is an 08 335i, one day old!
I understand you get a loaner....but it's still a hassle don' you think? Besides wouldn't you be pissed if that was your $47k car that was one day old?
Jan 3, 2008, 05:01 PM
#216
Yes it is a software load issue...but how does that ease the mind of the owner? Did they not perform some type of quality control check at the factory? It appears that they did not.
That is my concern, there doesn't appear to be any quality control. Instead it's a reactive mentality..."oh it doesn't work...let us look at it". Why not perform some QC before releasing each vehicle?
I don't pretend to know the answer, however, I have an idea. Maybe since all maintenance (during the warranty) on the BMW is free anyway, it really doesn't cost BMW that much to replace things as they fail. Maybe their technicians are paid a salary vs an hourly rate
I am truly sad that such a beautiful, capable vehicle can have so many gremlins and major component failures. It really is Sad. Someone else mentioned you'd have to be crazy to compare the 335i to the EVO X. Not really, they are identically priced if you do the Euro delivery thing...However, the Mitsu just might have the BMW beat on Reliability
That is my concern, there doesn't appear to be any quality control. Instead it's a reactive mentality..."oh it doesn't work...let us look at it". Why not perform some QC before releasing each vehicle?
I don't pretend to know the answer, however, I have an idea. Maybe since all maintenance (during the warranty) on the BMW is free anyway, it really doesn't cost BMW that much to replace things as they fail. Maybe their technicians are paid a salary vs an hourly rate
I am truly sad that such a beautiful, capable vehicle can have so many gremlins and major component failures. It really is Sad. Someone else mentioned you'd have to be crazy to compare the 335i to the EVO X. Not really, they are identically priced if you do the Euro delivery thing...However, the Mitsu just might have the BMW beat on Reliability
Jan 3, 2008, 05:35 PM
#219
LOTS of the cost of the X is from the crazy S-AWC system. If you don't care much about that, or AWD in general (which would appear to be the case since you are considering the 135i in the first place), you probably should get the 135i. The Evo is pretty much defined by its trick AWD system, complete with race-derived algorithms. If that wasn't important to me personally, with all the handling it offers over a vast array of driving surfaces, i wouldn't even consider buying a X.
Jan 3, 2008, 06:15 PM
#220
LOTS of the cost of the X is from the crazy S-AWC system. If you don't care much about that, or AWD in general (which would appear to be the case since you are considering the 135i in the first place), you probably should get the 135i. The Evo is pretty much defined by its trick AWD system, complete with race-derived algorithms. If that wasn't important to me personally, with all the handling it offers over a vast array of driving surfaces, i wouldn't even consider buying a X.
I would in a heart beat pick up an X. I would simply like it to start pulling 102-103 in the 1/4 first. No I don't plan on tracking the car often..maybe 4 times a year, and most of the rime I drive 10mph over the limit. However, when I wanna play, I wanna play
We seem to have alot of BMW fans here. That's a good thing really, no sense in narrowing your choices really. So I have to ask, how many of you are actually considering a 135i or 335i? Please remember that you can save 6k on the US MSPR by doing Euro Delivery. Euro Deliver may not be available for the 135i but it is for the 335i.
Jan 3, 2008, 06:28 PM
#222
Well...they already have fq330 and fq360 upgrades for the X. the fq360 should trap around where you would like it to be. and HKS has apparently built an SST with nearly 380 bhp, so i think you should buy a X and leave the 135i to the old folks. to be comparable, the 135i would need to be at least a 135xi...and even then, the x-drive system isn't anywhere near as good as the S-AWC system appears to be...
Jan 3, 2008, 06:28 PM
#223
It's actually the opposite. The cost of offering free maintenance if they knew the cars would be breaking down would be astronomical. They wouldn't have the budget to cover everything if they didn't think they built their cars well enough to hold up.
Jan 3, 2008, 06:30 PM
#224
For those who care:
Pic attached is taken from Consumer reports website and reads:
How makes compare
The graph shows how the makes rank based on their average predicted reliability scores. The score is the overall reliability calculated as a percentage better or worse than the average of all cars. The bar shows the range of scores between a make's worst and best model. The numeric score shown is the average for that make.
Pic attached is taken from Consumer reports website and reads:
How makes compare
The graph shows how the makes rank based on their average predicted reliability scores. The score is the overall reliability calculated as a percentage better or worse than the average of all cars. The bar shows the range of scores between a make's worst and best model. The numeric score shown is the average for that make.
Jan 3, 2008, 06:30 PM
#225
Well...they already have fq330 and fq360 upgrades for the X. the fq360 should trap around where you would like it to be. and HKS has apparently built an SST with nearly 380 bhp, so i think you should buy a X and leave the 135i to the old folks. to be comparable, the 135i would need to be at least a 135xi...and even then, the x-drive system isn't anywhere near as good as the S-AWC system appears to be...
