FromTheNorth

ill take the 135I

dbsears

iTrader: (37)

Yea and runs almost 3x times the amount of boost. Thats a cop out. Its never hindered an evo putting out power out of a "single turbo 2.0l" Problem is the car is a pig...has nothing to do with the power. Its AWD but 2 seconds slower to 100mph.

jackygor

iTrader: (9)

While this is true, it is not what I was trying to convey in that post. The it-is-not-fair-that-this-car-runs-on-flat argument is getting old, yes I acknowledge that when a car is equipped with a sticky tire, it will perform better. I think it is completely fair to compare both cars, in the context of performance anyways , since they are both in stock form. Of course BMW knows that 135i will perform better if it isn't running on flats, but once you start modding your car, yes I do consider upgrading your tires a form of modification, then all bets are off.

Cow town racer

Like I said, as a Canadian, the 135i is the better deal.

jackygor

iTrader: (9)

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davaoevo

Ummm.......... the MR is faster in the road course, that has been proven

TWOofTHREE

^ +1

RogueEvo

^^^ +1

bugnot

you're kidding right? heavier, yes. Slower? no. faster in a straight than your gsr and much faster around a track, the dual clutch has 6 gears and drives itself better than the magazine testers could . they kept in auto and let the transmission + s-awc do all the driving. Against that, they used an automatic 135i and only beat it around the track by a small percentage. i think it would be a lot closer if it was stick 135 vs. gsr. not saying the 135 would win, but it'd be a lot closer.

STi2EvoX

^ Well, most tests have shown the GSR to be faster in 0-60 and the quarter mile times because it launches a lot harder than the sst does. And the times on most road coarses are not much different between the two models, usually around a second, which is typical of any f1 style tranny vs it's stick counterpart. Oh, and beating the 135 by 3.5 seconds isn't a "small percentage," it's a slaughter. One second on a track is like a football field in length. The beamer got destroyed, get over it.

Rootus

Technically it is a small percentage. You may interpret it as a slaughter. The test track was pretty long.

And maybe on a different track the results would be different. MT did point out that the Evo did really well on the downhill parts of the track. Maybe that weight comes in handy after all .

ddawg1130

iTrader: (1)

"One one-thousand, two one-thousand, three one thousand, four one/"

Say that at a normal speed while picturing waiting for a car to come flyign by at over 100mph... 3.5 seconds on a race-car track is a slaughter. Talking about percentage of the course time is a pointless comparisson used to make people feel better about the loosing car. Watch any race, even foot races, 3.5 seconds seems like an eternity.

Still, the 135 is no doubt an impressive automobile and a great car for alot of people.

STi2EvoX

No, it IS a slaughter. It's not how I interpret it, it's just how it is. 3.5 seconds is an *** kicking, period. You have obviously never been on a race track before and know nothing about racing. Put it this way, at 100 miles an hour you are covering a football field a second, so a 3.5 second difference is an absolute *** wooping. Now it varies depending on the length of the straight before the start/finish line, but you get the point. The 135i is a very nice daily driver/ straight line cruiser, but it is nota track machine lie the evo, and the lap times are quite representative of that. Period.

dbsears

iTrader: (37)

I think it would have been better to compare a manual to a manual...may have benefitted each car in it's own respect. Not an automatic vs a sequential. Tires are what kill the 135i times on the roadcourse. Either way it would be hard for it to outperform the X in the handling department...that is its strongest asset. Strait line speed and build quality not so much To me the only thing that kills the 135i is the looks...if it looked better it would be a hands down no questions asked decision over the X.

Rootus

Check your math before name calling. You're thinking 200 mph.

The reality is that 3.4 seconds at the track they were on is a 2% difference. There are a lot of factors at play that can swing that number in either direction. Plus, in any real track situation the cars are going to be on R comps, and the 135i will benefit more from those than the Evo will.

Quit magazine racing, anyway, and come out and play. Don't Evo guys ever come out to the track? For every Evo I see at the track, I see 5 times as many STI's .