EVO X MR in America's Best Handling Car Test
Aug 28, 2008 | 05:35 PM
#17
This test was retarded. The rankings are based off of subjective opinions and not on tangible data. Sure, how a car "feels" is an important factor in a car's personality, but the editor has a very scewed view on what he considers to be a good car. I totally agree that a RWD car that is balanced and poised, with mild oversteer on corner exit makes for a great car, but those are not the only and certainly not the most important factors in what defines a good sports car.
Overall steering feel, nimbleness, chassis rigidity, overall engine power, engine responsiveness, area under the curve, overall grip, predictability, confidence inspiring factor, gearbox precision, etc, these are the main factors in determining a great sports car, and these were all neglected in my opinion. This guy doesn't care about anything other than balanced oversteer characteristics in a traditional RWD car, and that is why this test is garbage. It's just one guys biased opnion of what he likes in a car, not what is best and that's why this test is garbage.
Plus, the EVO X MR has been cited many times as being softer sprung than the GSR, and the only reason that it still squeeks by with marginally better track times is because of the gearbox. It has also been proven that on certain tracks, mainly high speed tracks that don't require as much shifting, that the GSR is actuslly faster. I'm not saying that the track times would've been any different, but the comments about the car feeling tippy (which is ridiculous and incorrect) might have been different had he driven the stiffer, less body roll prone GSR. The fact that it was even mentioned that he's not used to driving AWD cars only further reinforces my suspicion as to why that POS cobalt SS almost tied it. That would never happen, period.
Overall steering feel, nimbleness, chassis rigidity, overall engine power, engine responsiveness, area under the curve, overall grip, predictability, confidence inspiring factor, gearbox precision, etc, these are the main factors in determining a great sports car, and these were all neglected in my opinion. This guy doesn't care about anything other than balanced oversteer characteristics in a traditional RWD car, and that is why this test is garbage. It's just one guys biased opnion of what he likes in a car, not what is best and that's why this test is garbage.
Plus, the EVO X MR has been cited many times as being softer sprung than the GSR, and the only reason that it still squeeks by with marginally better track times is because of the gearbox. It has also been proven that on certain tracks, mainly high speed tracks that don't require as much shifting, that the GSR is actuslly faster. I'm not saying that the track times would've been any different, but the comments about the car feeling tippy (which is ridiculous and incorrect) might have been different had he driven the stiffer, less body roll prone GSR. The fact that it was even mentioned that he's not used to driving AWD cars only further reinforces my suspicion as to why that POS cobalt SS almost tied it. That would never happen, period.
this is the cobalt that drove 8:22 on the nurburgring... nonetheless i expected better from the x
Aug 28, 2008 | 05:52 PM
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That cobalt is an impressive little car for what it is, but it's a joke compared to the evo and I know that the guy driving these cars didn't know how to drive the evo if it barely beat the cobalt, I have no doubt in my mind. I would put any amount of money saying that if some comparison tests come out between the two cars that the evo will stomp the cobalt ss. Judging from how this guy ranks cars I already don't trust his driving skills or opinions.
Aug 28, 2008 | 08:04 PM
#19
Fanboism at its finest in this thread. The Evo is NOT going to win every test. Sorry, but it aint gonna happen.
If this test wasn't enough for you, go grab the September issue of Road & Track...where the Evo finishes in 10th place out of 10 cars. And, Steve Millen was the driver, so you can't blame it on driver error.
The Evo X is a wonderful machine...it's just not the best car ever created by man.
If this test wasn't enough for you, go grab the September issue of Road & Track...where the Evo finishes in 10th place out of 10 cars. And, Steve Millen was the driver, so you can't blame it on driver error.
The Evo X is a wonderful machine...it's just not the best car ever created by man.
Aug 28, 2008 | 08:16 PM
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Fanboism at its finest in this thread. The Evo is NOT going to win every test. Sorry, but it aint gonna happen.
If this test wasn't enough for you, go grab the September issue of Road & Track...where the Evo finishes in 10th place out of 10 cars. And, Steve Millen was the driver, so you can't blame it on driver error.
The Evo X is a wonderful machine...it's just not the best car ever created by man.
If this test wasn't enough for you, go grab the September issue of Road & Track...where the Evo finishes in 10th place out of 10 cars. And, Steve Millen was the driver, so you can't blame it on driver error.
The Evo X is a wonderful machine...it's just not the best car ever created by man.
Aug 28, 2008 | 08:16 PM
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For whoever was complaining about the driver, here's a quote straight from the article. Until you can claim better accomplishments than this gentleman, I think it's a little harsh to criticize his driving skills 
In the ensuing three decades, Pobst has forged a solid career up and down amateur and later professional sports-car racing ranks. His first national championship came in 1990, and he's added a half dozen more since then. Pobst has raced at every major road-racing course in the country, has several SCCA national championships to his credit, and is a two-time class Daytona 24-hour winner. Although most of his career has been spent in the GT ranks, he's also raced and won in prototype categories in the ALMS and the Grand-American Rolex series. He's enjoyed factory rides with Audi and Porsche, as well.
This year, Pobst has two full-time rides. One is at the wheel of the APR Motorsport VW GTI that competes in Grand-Am's Koni Challenge Series. The other is aboard a GT class Porsche GT3 Cup for K-Pax Racing, which competes in the SPEED World Challenge.
Given that he's driven all sorts of cars with a variety of powertrain layouts and engine locations, we felt Pobst would be the ideal pilot to give us balanced, unvarnished feedback on the wide variety of cars we rounded up for Laguna. And he did that to a high level. Randy got up to speed quickly, was super consistent lap to lap, and worked hard to understand each machine. Plus his enthusiasm for cars and motorsport is infectious. And you have to love that.
This year, Pobst has two full-time rides. One is at the wheel of the APR Motorsport VW GTI that competes in Grand-Am's Koni Challenge Series. The other is aboard a GT class Porsche GT3 Cup for K-Pax Racing, which competes in the SPEED World Challenge.
Given that he's driven all sorts of cars with a variety of powertrain layouts and engine locations, we felt Pobst would be the ideal pilot to give us balanced, unvarnished feedback on the wide variety of cars we rounded up for Laguna. And he did that to a high level. Randy got up to speed quickly, was super consistent lap to lap, and worked hard to understand each machine. Plus his enthusiasm for cars and motorsport is infectious. And you have to love that.
Aug 28, 2008 | 08:19 PM
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Fanboism at its finest in this thread. The Evo is NOT going to win every test. Sorry, but it aint gonna happen.
If this test wasn't enough for you, go grab the September issue of Road & Track...where the Evo finishes in 10th place out of 10 cars. And, Steve Millen was the driver, so you can't blame it on driver error.
The Evo X is a wonderful machine...it's just not the best car ever created by man.
If this test wasn't enough for you, go grab the September issue of Road & Track...where the Evo finishes in 10th place out of 10 cars. And, Steve Millen was the driver, so you can't blame it on driver error.
The Evo X is a wonderful machine...it's just not the best car ever created by man.
I'm usually the first to call it, but there's very little to call fanboyism so far in the thread, and nobody said they expected the Evo to win the test.
Aug 28, 2008 | 09:25 PM
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I would put any amount of money saying that if some comparison tests come out between the two cars that the evo will stomp the cobalt ss. Judging from how this guy ranks cars I already don't trust his driving skills or opinions.[/QUOTE]
everyone seems to hate the cobalt (and I bought the X not the cobalt so I dont think I'm biased) , but here are the cars that it is faster than around the nurburgring. For 22K as someone has pointed out, nothing is close to this car.
BMW E36 M3
Lotus Exige S
BMW 335i Coupe
Nissan 350Z (2203)
Honda NSX
and it was just 14 seconds slower than a STI Spec C and 16 slower than a Audi R8 on the 13 mile course. (above is from wikipedia). I not saying those numbers above are the end all statistics, but the are suggestive of the cobalt being a serious performance car
everyone seems to hate the cobalt (and I bought the X not the cobalt so I dont think I'm biased) , but here are the cars that it is faster than around the nurburgring. For 22K as someone has pointed out, nothing is close to this car.
BMW E36 M3
Lotus Exige S
BMW 335i Coupe
Nissan 350Z (2203)
Honda NSX
and it was just 14 seconds slower than a STI Spec C and 16 slower than a Audi R8 on the 13 mile course. (above is from wikipedia). I not saying those numbers above are the end all statistics, but the are suggestive of the cobalt being a serious performance car
Aug 28, 2008 | 09:45 PM
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That cobalt is an impressive little car for what it is, but it's a joke compared to the evo and I know that the guy driving these cars didn't know how to drive the evo if it barely beat the cobalt, I have no doubt in my mind. I would put any amount of money saying that if some comparison tests come out between the two cars that the evo will stomp the cobalt ss. Judging from how this guy ranks cars I already don't trust his driving skills or opinions.
He may not be used to driving all wheel drive cars, but he did drive the course with the r8, gt-r, 911 turbo, as well as with the evo x... he set some nice times with those, and i'm sure the x's 4wd is just as great in comparison. i'm sure he's not that used to driving fwd cars hard either too.
this is the cobalt that drove 8:22 on the nurburgring... nonetheless i expected better from the x
this is the cobalt that drove 8:22 on the nurburgring... nonetheless i expected better from the x
STEP IT UP MITSU!!!!
Aug 28, 2008 | 10:01 PM
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wow, i love the EVO as much as anybody, but cut the fanboi crap please. Do you two idiots know who that driver is? That's RandyFREAKINGPobst!!!!! at first i was going to question the driving skills as well...then i saw who was driving. there's no disputing this. unless he just royaly screwed up on his lap in the X, that man is one of the best drivers in road racing PERIOD. and yes he is very accustomed to running FWD cars HARD. he raced for years for the tripoint mazda team in a FWD mazda 6 in Speed World Challenge Touring Car, while also running a porsche in Speed World Challenge GT. More than once he won both races in the same day. he's been a champion in TC, and GT, and i've seen this man drive both in person, and in every Speed World Challenge race for the last 3 years. He's amazing to watch, so you can't chalk this one up to driver error. chalk this one up to mitsubishi error. they shouldn't have sent a child (the EVO X) to do a man's job (EVO IX). hopefully Mitsu will tweak this thing next year and get it back to the giant killer it used to be.
STEP IT UP MITSU!!!!
STEP IT UP MITSU!!!!
Aug 28, 2008 | 10:16 PM
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I do agree that the X should've put up a better time but too many ppl knock the SS Cobalt because its a Cavalier with a turbo. The last SS has proved to be an amazing track car beating modded Evos, Vipers, Skylines and the like. And based on every review the can is virtually better. Yes the odds may seems against it but U guys are starting to sound like those dudes who dont believe a $30,000 Mitsu and match or beat their $60,000 Porsche. The Evos are great cars I-X alike but its not the Messiah of all cars. Grow up, this Fanboy stuff is gettin old.
Aug 28, 2008 | 10:47 PM
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I do agree that the X should've put up a better time but too many ppl knock the SS Cobalt because its a Cavalier with a turbo. The last SS has proved to be an amazing track car beating modded Evos, Vipers, Skylines and the like. And based on every review the can is virtually better. Yes the odds may seems against it but U guys are starting to sound like those dudes who dont believe a $30,000 Mitsu and match or beat their $60,000 Porsche. The Evos are great cars I-X alike but its not the Messiah of all cars. Grow up, this Fanboy stuff is gettin old.
i will say that the cobalt SS is a stout competitor though. that just shows how much mitsu screwed up with the X if cobalts are catching up in performance. like i said earlier, the EVO USED to be a giant killer. now it's just another "performance sedan"
Aug 28, 2008 | 10:57 PM
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