Evo X mr vs Base model X ~what to buy :S
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if you measure 15% drive train loss, then 340 whp would be 391 crank hp .
Why around 15% ? Because the factory GSR is theoretically 291 hp. And they put down between aprox. 250 -260 whp. /on dyno jet/ so that is about there.
And dont forget looks like all the dyno numbers we got, the MR has more drive train loss then the GSR.
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For those saying that this is an EVO and not a luxo car, give it up. This is the wave of the future. Yes, it's in it's infancy but will be perfected in the near future and the manually shifted cars will go the way the carburetors did when EFI came out.
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The SST will translate as much power to wheels as a "regular" manual gear box would. The loss in power on auto trans cars is because of the torque converter. The SST does not have a torque converter, it has an automated clutch system that transfers power just like a manual trans. The main difference is that the transmission is shifted by the transmissions ecm instead of the driver.
For those saying that this is an EVO and not a luxo car, give it up. This is the wave of the future. Yes, it's in it's infancy but will be perfected in the near future and the manually shifted cars will go the way the carburetors did when EFI came out.
For those saying that this is an EVO and not a luxo car, give it up. This is the wave of the future. Yes, it's in it's infancy but will be perfected in the near future and the manually shifted cars will go the way the carburetors did when EFI came out.
They say all kinda excuses but end of the day, the MR is put down pretty hefty amount of whp less then the GSR.
Also the 1/4 mile run the trap speed is slower too, if im right .
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There is a difference between excuses and explainations. If the MR indeed puts down a "pretty hefty amount of whp less then the GSR", how do you explain how the two cars are so close on the track? On some tracks the MR performs even better. There is no way the the whp gap is as wide as you infer.
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Both of the cars that had 211 peak HP at the wheels had very low miles on them, just off of the dealer lot. Draw your own conclusion on that one.
As far as 1/4 mile trap speeds, I trapped 101.10 mph in the 1/4 mile in my bone stock full weight EVO X MR... what trap speeds are the GSR's getting bone stock?
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it the 360 hp limit is right , then you can't have the 340 whp.
if you measure 15% drive train loss, then 340 whp would be 391 crank hp .
Why around 15% ? Because the factory GSR is theoretically 291 hp. And they put down between aprox. 250 -260 whp. /on dyno jet/ so that is about there.
And dont forget looks like all the dyno numbers we got, the MR has more drive train loss then the GSR.
if you measure 15% drive train loss, then 340 whp would be 391 crank hp .
Why around 15% ? Because the factory GSR is theoretically 291 hp. And they put down between aprox. 250 -260 whp. /on dyno jet/ so that is about there.
And dont forget looks like all the dyno numbers we got, the MR has more drive train loss then the GSR.
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ive allready put deposite for GSR few days ago, but i had second thoughts so i thought ill ask you guys for opinion. Reading few other threads sounds like you can get 330-350whp from just exhaust, intercooler, coldair intake and reflash?
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I think most people are getting 290 whp mostly stock with a tune and an intake. Some of the newest tunes are starting to show a little more power...At anyrate, they are getting 107 mph in the quarter mile trap speed so that is a solid 6-7 mph more (10 kph) so I'd think that there is about 70 (flywheel) hp to be had from the tune and a better air filter. My guess is that this would be about 360 hp flywheel sort of like an FQ-360 UK style tune.
I've been to Perth and I have a 5-spd GSR. I'd think that, after seeing the local roadways, the GSR with a 5-speed would kick *** the most. For me, I'd like an MR, with the SST, but only because I can't shift too fast with my left hand, but for anybody born into driving on the wrong side- I'd say shift it yourself. The speed limits in Australia are kind of slow around town so the GSR gearing won't really be too upsetting I wouldn't think.
I might be back there pretty soon- I'll be driving a dirty old diesel navarra probably. You might be the first kid on the block with one.
p.s. think the evo is tough enough to run over the center island on the heaps of round-a-bouts you got there?
I've been to Perth and I have a 5-spd GSR. I'd think that, after seeing the local roadways, the GSR with a 5-speed would kick *** the most. For me, I'd like an MR, with the SST, but only because I can't shift too fast with my left hand, but for anybody born into driving on the wrong side- I'd say shift it yourself. The speed limits in Australia are kind of slow around town so the GSR gearing won't really be too upsetting I wouldn't think.
I might be back there pretty soon- I'll be driving a dirty old diesel navarra probably. You might be the first kid on the block with one.
p.s. think the evo is tough enough to run over the center island on the heaps of round-a-bouts you got there?
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On Buschur Racings mustang dyno he has dyno charts for three bone stock GSR's one at 211 peak power, one at 219 peak power, and another at 230 peak wheel HP. He also has one bone stock MR dyno chart that peaked at 211 peak HP.
Both of the cars that had 211 peak HP at the wheels had very low miles on them, just off of the dealer lot. Draw your own conclusion on that one.
As far as 1/4 mile trap speeds, I trapped 101.10 mph in the 1/4 mile in my bone stock full weight EVO X MR... what trap speeds are the GSR's getting bone stock?
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Both of the cars that had 211 peak HP at the wheels had very low miles on them, just off of the dealer lot. Draw your own conclusion on that one.
As far as 1/4 mile trap speeds, I trapped 101.10 mph in the 1/4 mile in my bone stock full weight EVO X MR... what trap speeds are the GSR's getting bone stock?
Keith
he did run 3600 ft ASL 102.95 mph with 1.98 sec 60 ft.
so if you say the MR has a faster shifting etc, then this car should be a little more whp on the ground. As far is i think.
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aff i lost the count of how many i went over hahah, still havent seen 1 evo X on road, but ****ty thing is many people will think Evo is just another new lancer. yee wen u come perth pm me and i can show u round if ya want.
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One of my friend had evo VIII, but recently bought evo X MR regrets little bit for getting SST...but he still enjoys it.
If you can drive a manual, I would say GSR is more fun(well..depending on your taste...I like driving a manual, but wouldn't mind MR though...^_^)
If you can drive a manual, I would say GSR is more fun(well..depending on your taste...I like driving a manual, but wouldn't mind MR though...^_^)
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Good news, i got my loan approved, need 6300$ usd deposite lol soo my manual w w evo with mr suspesion breaks, bbs wheels will be ready 25th november
also got incontact with local car tuner
" Hi Dean, We will be doing the ECUTEK reflashing on EVO X's but haven't got thesoftware yet - the guys at MRT in Sydney (Australian ECUTEK Distributor)have started doing a couple but we want to ensure it's all sorted beforewe get the software ourselves. Please keep in touch - hopefully it's allworking out ok & we'll be doing them soon. "
YAY
also got incontact with local car tuner
" Hi Dean, We will be doing the ECUTEK reflashing on EVO X's but haven't got thesoftware yet - the guys at MRT in Sydney (Australian ECUTEK Distributor)have started doing a couple but we want to ensure it's all sorted beforewe get the software ourselves. Please keep in touch - hopefully it's allworking out ok & we'll be doing them soon. "
YAY