well i dont agree with a lot of what was said to be honest and ive driven and owned a lot of cars.

I dont have an X, but i plan to buy one.

The EVO X, after everything ive read and all the times i have seen them and sat in them in person, have become to me, the only EVO to own now.

Ive owned two 06 IX MR's, both modded and raced.

i currently own a track prepped s2000 and a DD.

I tend to like smaller, lighter, agile, raw race cars....which is why i sold my IX the 2nd time for yet ANOTHER s2000.....BUT!!!

the EVO X, although heavier and bigger....is more agile and looks way nicer than an EVO IX.

The X can be made just as raw as an IX, if you wanted. Its equally as special to the IX. The IX isnt special. The XI makinen is special, not the IX.

The IX will not be placed in history as a better car than the X, irregardless of the fan boys....and remember, i dont own an X and i DID own 2 IX.

facts are facts. The X handles better, can be made faster, looks better, and when i see older evos driving down the street...they dont do much for me anymore...im over the boxey econo sedan look.

The EVO X has evolved more than any previous model evos have from each other, truly making its name EVOLUTION, a fact and not an opinion.

The IX was slower around the race track than an EVO 6 MAK, but people got over it, because it can be modded and made to be superior to the 6.

The EVO X with small mods...tears the IX apart and looks way nicer doing so.

so what, it has more weight and more cushion....nothing some weight reduction, coilovers and a few mods cant fix.

The EVO IX feels like an AWD sedan, the EVO X feels more like a RWD sports car.

If you want purity, buy an s2000 or porsche. If you want to win races, buy a X.

My s2000 will be for sale shortly.

 

To the OP:

You say you do track days with PCA.

I'm a PCA instructor. My recommendation is to not buy the GT3RS. You sound young (graduating from college), and you should wait on a car like that. Keep going to the track, keep driving lots of "underpowered" cars. _That_ will make you faster.

Plus, remember, there's no trophies for HPDEs...

--michael

 

I also disagree on being noticed. I was driving the crap outta my 2003 silver OZ Rally. It wasn't riced out or anything but i had a lead foot and i sped everywhere (still do btw). no looks, no waves, or anything like that, 0 attention from anyone.

I traded it in for my X. The very first day that i had it parked in my apt complex, the kids that got off the schoolbus in the afternoon FREAKED OUT when they saw it, 3 boys and 2 girls. They high fived me and wanted to know when i got the car from Need For Speed . During the first week of owership i had 3 cops follow me for a couple of miles on 3 separate occasions. no exaggeration. One county sheriff followed me and gave me head nod and a smile before pulling ahead of me and driving off.

I beleive my car is special. It's styling is sharp and agressive. it responds to mods so easily if feels like cheating. Being the first US evo with AYC is very significant since it kills understeer. I've been on the toll way with M3's, Vette's (a pair of C5's), STi's, GTi's, annoying riced out cavaliers, slow honda's, quick honda's, mustangs,and they all wanna run. If i didn't have my Valentine 1 i'd be screwed because state troopers like to hang around me too. Heck I even get a wave from the traffic director that directs traffic into my job everyday he works.

To the OP, I respect that you have a opinion that is different from mine. That's what forums are for. People who have common interests (even if opinions differ) sharing experiences and knowledge.

So I respectfully agree to disagree with you

 

I find your post interesting.
I actually have owned a X for a short period of time, coming from a IX, and I formed the opposite opinion lol. I still hold my position that it's a matter of subjective preference.

Sounds to me like you've already made up your mind, and was never quite too sold on the evo's 4wd like personality, having had and sold them for nimbler rwd cars. What I mean by that is, you might as well be a X owner, regardless of whether or not you have one right now. However, the X definitely does behave more rwd-like, with the s-awc.

You say facts yet you make many subjective comments about the look of the car right after. Or like the definition of the term Evolution. Are we considering the word as the name Evolution because of it's literal evolution, or because it's the name of the car? It does change every 4th iteration or so, but don't most cars? All cars should be called "evolution" if we're going by that definition lol.

Does each new Skyline provide a better skyline than the previous generation? Perhaps! But to me "evolution" is just the name of the car, and the term "evolution" in the sense of the car just means what it has developed itself to become.

You say the X is equally special to the IX, and then say the IX isn't special. I don't consider myself a fanboy, though irregardless is not a word. I'd have gotten the new STI if I had liked the way it had driven when I test drove it.

It's all really wordplay. I think in Japan, the Evo IX will be more memorable, as the last car that's held the 4g63 for like what 15 years or whatever? In America it's only been that way for 3 years. The gap between the IX and the X is also much larger in America, as the X employs superior awd technology, and I think that will be a big factor in how "memorable" the car will be in America.

Like I said, I think it's preference and opinion. OP stated his. I actually only agree with about half. How much does how memorable or how much attention the car gets affect how well your car drives, right?

 

cant we all just get along? lol

 

Everyone seems to be stuck on the memorability portion of my review. It was my opinion and if it offended you then I apologize, but with that apology you all should understand that we're all going to have different views.

I simply say its not special because the car really doesn't have anything new beyond the 4B11T. Mivec has been done before, s-ayc has been around since the VII, and while new to America it's rather old news. Nowhere in the review did I say the car sucked performance wise, but you have to take the good with that bad. I could've praised the car to the max and you all would've loved the review, but I throw in one opinionated afterthought and it all goes to hell.

For all of the X fanboi's, never did I say the IX looked better (though thats subjective), never did I say the X didn't perform, I said in my eye's it looks plain jane and in my neighborhood no one gave it a second thought; including the University of Maryland campus. For those who say "hot babes love my whip yo." Well yah that may be true where you live, but again nothing special where I lived and I couldn't even turn sorority girls heads. They didn't even ask about the car when I went to the house to visit one of my friends.

I think Archiebabes X looks better than almost any IX i've seen with the exception of the HKS car. It's a beautiful car once modified (again my opinion) and looks nice on coilovers. I'm not back pedalling I still stand that it will not be anything special as time progresses, and that it is not as raw as previous evo's. I still stand that I don't like the weight and in no way is it an RWD car (as previous posters say it handles like). Yes you can kick the tail end out but it does not have the driving characteristics of an RWD car track and method wise. You can still brake late, floor it out of a turn, and be ahead of the amateur competition, the car is not hard to drive. You cannot drive an evo all of your life and step into a viper and drive it the same; you'd kill yourself if you think you can.

Of all the cars I've driven I gave an honest opinion based on previous experiences that I'VE lived through. To the PCA instructor, wellll that's like saying Hamilton is too young to drive F1. I've been doing it for 8 years and I consider myself to be above average. That's good advise but I've driven two GT3RS (996 and 997) and know that it is a killer. I've gone off course twice in one and it is not the same driving style as an Evo.

 

No, for sure I agree that everyone SHOULD have an opinion about the cars looks. As for disagreeing with the memorability, I just said that because as much as IX is remembered as the last 4g63, I would think X would be remembered as the first 4b11, etc. However, memorability is only so much. The VIII should be recognized as extremely memorable, as the first Evo available in America. Yet I think the IX is more widely regarded. So I was thinking that performance has more to do with it. As such, I would say that the XI and XII, probably more superior to the X, would make the car less memorable, despite the fact that it's the first evo with all of said features.

I don't have as much experience or variety in cars as you, but I have driven a good amount and agree with what you said about the driving dynamic. Except that my butt dyno felt like the IX was faster lol

 

"the 4B11T. Mivec has been done before, s-ayc has been around since the VII, and while new to America it's rather old news."
well we are living in the US. so still is the first evo comes with the AYC here. So it is a news here. And that is alone makes it special.


"I simply say its not special because the car really doesn't have anything new beyond the 4B11T"
the X has more the the 4B11T is new. It is run a different chasis, The AYC is more advanced etc.
Juts because the AYC is came with the EVo IV and the S-ayc with VII that is doesnt mean is the same.
Like the 1 gen 4G63 is a way different then the IX 4G63.

I respect your opinion as long as you stated as an opinion and not as a fact.

"For those who say "hot babes love my whip yo." Well yah that may be true where you live, but again nothing special where I lived and I couldn't even turn sorority girls heads. They didn't even ask about the car when I went to the house to visit one of my friends. "
If this is so important for you, then you just cant find the right car for yourself in the JDM world. For this reason any used yellow Ferrari convertible will make you happy. The EVo will never do that. The Evo is for guys and not for girls. Not flashy not expensive and not a status symbol. By the way i would never be interested that girl who falls for those.

"You can still brake late, floor it out of a turn, and be ahead of the amateur competition, the car is not hard to drive."
sort of true, but that is why the limits are not so obvious, until you pass them. Not like the RWD car which is warn you way before it happens / unless its an elise/
In racing the easy part to take off seconds from your lap time ,but the hard part is coming when you need to take off the hundreds of the seconds...

"I've been doing it for 8 years and I consider myself to be above average."
it is always better if others do that for you.

No hard feeling though just my opinion against yours.

 

You seem heavily fixated on your image. In that case, an Evo isn't the car for you.

You're in college and have been doing HPDEs for 8 years? I've never heard of a group that allowed people without at least a license run. If you're in college, wouldn't that mean you started at the latest at 14?

 

nice write up but shouldn't this go in the X vs IX thread? I'd say it's all been said in there countless times

 

I don't mean for this to sound condescending, but I'm sure it will.

What you wrote above is your youth talking. Trust me, you want to wait for a car like the GT3RS. If you drive a car like that while you are young, where else is there to go? A Cup car? And, if your goal is to eventually race, then stop screwing around with street cars and go get yourself a Spec Miata (or Cup car if your pockets are really huge, or whatever) and start racing.

I understand, though. I want a GT3RS, or even a GT3, or heck, even a 997 S would be nice! I could go buy one if I really wanted. But, I've lived long enough to know that there's always the "next thing". And, that delayed gratification is more fun in the long run.

If you truly are fortunate enough to buy these kind of cars when you are young, then congratulations and more power to you. But, I would take a previous poster's advice and not brag about it on a forum like the Evo forum.

And, finally, about comparing the Evo to other cars. No, it's not a fair comparison at all to compare the Evo X to a GT3RS. Completely different cars in completely different price points with completely different layouts. But, I believe you CAN compare the Evo X, in terms of driving dynamics (i.e. "fun") to almost any other 4-door sedan available today, and even many "true" sports cars. I am living proof of that--I was prepared to go buy a brand new E90 M3 sedan, but then I drove the Evo X on a whim. I bought the Evo X MR. And, no, cost wasn't an issue. (although saving ~$20K WAS kind of nice...)

Good luck to you. If you're ever down in Texas, and you have that GT3RS, I can hook you up with some people who can really teach you how to drive it. Be careful with it, too--we had a very experienced driver put a 996 GT3 into the wall last weekend.

--michael

 

first of all, don't be a smart ***...because irregardless IS in fact a word. Look it up in the dictionary.
secondly...don't changed what i said to make it sound like something else. lol

 

lol, i just wanted to note that because although they've put it in the dictionary recently, it's kind of an extreme slang. What does it even mean? Isn't it the same as regardless? I also noted it because I've used it before as well.

"Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so."

I'm not sure what I twisted, sorry if I did. Just trying to clarify. I prefer blunt statements over more coy, noncommittal beat-around-the-bush statements. What I meant to say was that I think what you've considered to be objective is still rather subjective. The X is a more RWD-feeling car, and as someone who has preferred RWD cars in the past I would expect you to prefer it over a more understeer biased IX. And with the added technology + rwd-like feel, I bet most would benefit from this, speed-wise.

No offense or smartass-ness meant, Cheers

 

Seconded.

 

lol fine. It may technically be a word, though a stupid one. The choice to use it is your own. As is my own choice to point out such things and be a 'smart ***'. I don't care? Just making a point? Wasn't relevant to the post anyway?

This isn't a debate about the history of the word irregardless. If it were, I would win.

Anyway, my point was stated previously. Also, subjectively, as I never thought the X looked that great, for my period with one it looked much better in person