'09 Evo's not coming to the U.S.?
Dec 19, 2008, 09:29 AM
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I would have to disagree with all these reasons except the gas prices.
1.) The car may be heavier but it also has a lot more features and options along with being a huge increase in safety which has proven to attract a larger range of buyers. I think the additions have attracted more buyers than the extra weigth has pushed others away.
2.) The 4B11T is just as robust if not more than the 4G63. The 4G63 is an amazing engine but it is also a very old design. Advancements in engine design and research have allowed Engineers to build stonger engines that weigh less. The 4B11 is nothing short of an improvement.
3.) Gas prices have and will continue to hurt the sales of performance vehicles.
4.) Given that this is a brand new design, the reported issues have actually been very few and nothing too serious. Also, issues will get blown up in forums where you will never hear about the people who have no issues.
5.) Most people do not buy a new car with plans of selling it within a year. Resale values are low because of how poor our economy is in, and because of how desperate dealers are getting to sell cars (offering cars for below invoice and with 0% financing). Once the economy rebounds, you will see the car values go back up.
The economy is the soul driver of the poor sales of the Evos and has nothing to do with the design or performance. It has already been prooven as a very stong contender in its market. People losing jobs, have the fear of losing jobs, and the state of the credit market are causing people to be more cautious and they are not going out to buy new cars.
Disclaimer: This is all my own opinion.
1.) The car may be heavier but it also has a lot more features and options along with being a huge increase in safety which has proven to attract a larger range of buyers. I think the additions have attracted more buyers than the extra weigth has pushed others away.
2.) The 4B11T is just as robust if not more than the 4G63. The 4G63 is an amazing engine but it is also a very old design. Advancements in engine design and research have allowed Engineers to build stonger engines that weigh less. The 4B11 is nothing short of an improvement.
3.) Gas prices have and will continue to hurt the sales of performance vehicles.
4.) Given that this is a brand new design, the reported issues have actually been very few and nothing too serious. Also, issues will get blown up in forums where you will never hear about the people who have no issues.
5.) Most people do not buy a new car with plans of selling it within a year. Resale values are low because of how poor our economy is in, and because of how desperate dealers are getting to sell cars (offering cars for below invoice and with 0% financing). Once the economy rebounds, you will see the car values go back up.
The economy is the soul driver of the poor sales of the Evos and has nothing to do with the design or performance. It has already been prooven as a very stong contender in its market. People losing jobs, have the fear of losing jobs, and the state of the credit market are causing people to be more cautious and they are not going out to buy new cars.
Disclaimer: This is all my own opinion.
But back OT...It will be interesting to see how the industry as a whole reacts to the downturn in the economy and the ripple effect on the global stage.
IMO...this move is purely driven by the economy.
Dec 19, 2008, 09:53 AM
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you guys are talking about opinions of one of the dealers here in evom. unless he backs up his story or post any comments on the original thread, then I'm calling it a sales ploy. The 07 IX was not made hence no VIN numbers were posted in the mitsu website. But up until today, the VIN numbers of the 09 models are posted as it is. it may be a midyear release of the 09 models.
Dec 19, 2008, 10:47 AM
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the mitsubishi evolutions have always been a sedan.. maybe for the time they stop production they should think about a coupe evolution =) it'll definitely make it lighter =) i would buy it in a heartbeat.
maybe if enough people email them about it. it just might happen =)
maybe if enough people email them about it. it just might happen =)
Dec 19, 2008, 10:55 AM
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the mitsubishi evolutions have always been a sedan.. maybe for the time they stop production they should think about a coupe evolution =) it'll definitely make it lighter =) i would buy it in a heartbeat.
maybe if enough people email them about it. it just might happen =)
maybe if enough people email them about it. it just might happen =)
Dec 19, 2008, 11:29 AM
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And that would be bad for Mitsubishi, how? Having a competitor for one of the most advanced cars in existence at half the price can only lead to increased sales, a favorable consumer perception across the board, and the street cred that dove and is still driving CT9A sales. I do agree, though, that it won't happen.
Dec 19, 2008, 11:35 AM
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I guess we're going to have to wait until an -official- source confirms it; And I mean Mitsubishi Motors Corp-official. No pun intended.
My opinion is that Mitsu is holding back because of the economy, they're nervous; every single car maker is s***ting bricks right now; I assume adding a couple thousand 09' Evos in a market where they still have 1000+ parked with zero hopes of moving them is something any car maker will seriously consider before taking action.
Or what will they do with 1000 plus brand new 08 Evos once they stock the 09 at the dealers???? Eat them with sour ranch & blue cheese?
Edit: I didn't mean "reliable" I meant "official"
My opinion is that Mitsu is holding back because of the economy, they're nervous; every single car maker is s***ting bricks right now; I assume adding a couple thousand 09' Evos in a market where they still have 1000+ parked with zero hopes of moving them is something any car maker will seriously consider before taking action.
Or what will they do with 1000 plus brand new 08 Evos once they stock the 09 at the dealers???? Eat them with sour ranch & blue cheese?
Edit: I didn't mean "reliable" I meant "official"
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Dec 19, 2008, 11:38 AM
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My opinion is that Mitsu is holding back because of the economy, they're nervous; every single car maker is s***ting bricks right now; I assume adding a couple thousand 09' Evos in a market where they still have 1000+ parked with zero hopes of moving them is something any car maker will seriously consider before taking action.
Dec 19, 2008, 12:15 PM
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I would have to disagree with all these reasons except the gas prices.
1.) The car may be heavier but it also has a lot more features and options along with being a huge increase in safety which has proven to attract a larger range of buyers. I think the additions have attracted more buyers than the extra weigth has pushed others away.
1.) The car may be heavier but it also has a lot more features and options along with being a huge increase in safety which has proven to attract a larger range of buyers. I think the additions have attracted more buyers than the extra weigth has pushed others away.
2.) The 4B11T is just as robust if not more than the 4G63. The 4G63 is an amazing engine but it is also a very old design. Advancements in engine design and research have allowed Engineers to build stonger engines that weigh less. The 4B11 is nothing short of an improvement.
4.) Given that this is a brand new design, the reported issues have actually been very few and nothing too serious. Also, issues will get blown up in forums where you will never hear about the people who have no issues.
5.) Most people do not buy a new car with plans of selling it within a year. Resale values are low because of how poor our economy is in, and because of how desperate dealers are getting to sell cars (offering cars for below invoice and with 0% financing). Once the economy rebounds, you will see the car values go back up.
The economy is the soul driver of the poor sales of the Evos and has nothing to do with the design or performance. It has already been prooven as a very stong contender in its market. People losing jobs, have the fear of losing jobs, and the state of the credit market are causing people to be more cautious and they are not going out to buy new cars.
Disclaimer: This is all my own opinion.
Disclaimer: This is all my own opinion.
Dec 19, 2008, 12:23 PM
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Noize,
Re: #1...I am a professional and while I like the performance of the Evo IX, there is no way i would have bought one because they look way too much like a teenager's car (don't mean to offend, just MHO). The new Evo was the first one I ever considered buying. There other cars for similar money I could have been interested in but wanted AWD and performance. I think the GSR is uniquely positioned right now for this....Got it for just under 31K out the door and once I upgraded the interior to leather I am pretty happy. For anything else AWD, racey but not ricey looks with similar performance, I would have had to spend at least another 10K.
Re: #1...I am a professional and while I like the performance of the Evo IX, there is no way i would have bought one because they look way too much like a teenager's car (don't mean to offend, just MHO). The new Evo was the first one I ever considered buying. There other cars for similar money I could have been interested in but wanted AWD and performance. I think the GSR is uniquely positioned right now for this....Got it for just under 31K out the door and once I upgraded the interior to leather I am pretty happy. For anything else AWD, racey but not ricey looks with similar performance, I would have had to spend at least another 10K.
Dec 19, 2008, 02:06 PM
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You can't beat the laws of physics, because they'll come and find you. Aluminum is not as strong as iron, period. You can put 32psi (race gas) from a 35R through a 4G63 with little more than head studs. Do that on ten 4G63s and ten 4B11s and see which ones hold up better. The 4B11 is good, but its not nearly as strong as a 4G63, that's just asinine.
Au contraire. Being on staff, I know of at least 5 4B11s that have gone down hard with even moderate turbo upgrades, but it hasn't been made public knowledge. I blame this on the effect it could have on shops (who really may not have even been at fault) in this economy and people being terrified to post about it in hopes of getting warranty work.
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You can't beat the laws of physics, because they'll come and find you. Aluminum is not as strong as iron, period. You can put 32psi (race gas) from a 35R through a 4G63 with little more than head studs. Do that on ten 4G63s and ten 4B11s and see which ones hold up better. The 4B11 is good, but its not nearly as strong as a 4G63, that's just asinine.
Au contraire. Being on staff, I know of at least 5 4B11s that have gone down hard with even moderate turbo upgrades, but it hasn't been made public knowledge. I blame this on the effect it could have on shops (who really may not have even been at fault) in this economy and people being terrified to post about it in hopes of getting warranty work.
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Dec 19, 2008, 03:34 PM
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Toyota poised to post first annual loss in 70 years
With headlines like that, is it any wonder that Mitsu is cutting back or dropping a niche car that currently isn't selling well? We may love the X all we want, I think it's a fantastic car, but it's selling UNDER INVOICE right now, and barely selling even at that price. It makes sense that they'd just suspend shipping any more until the economy turns around.
Here's hoping they ship a 2010 EVO X RS in the USA!!!
With headlines like that, is it any wonder that Mitsu is cutting back or dropping a niche car that currently isn't selling well? We may love the X all we want, I think it's a fantastic car, but it's selling UNDER INVOICE right now, and barely selling even at that price. It makes sense that they'd just suspend shipping any more until the economy turns around.
Here's hoping they ship a 2010 EVO X RS in the USA!!!
Dec 19, 2008, 03:48 PM
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The EVo X is the cheapest here in the US all around the world from the beginning. The $ value is sooo down its not even funny.
So why they would bring it here?
The US never been a primary market for the EVo anyway.
People dont even know what is the rally means...
So i see a lots of logic behind it.
But if its true , its kinda sad , my point of you.
So why they would bring it here?
The US never been a primary market for the EVo anyway.
People dont even know what is the rally means...
So i see a lots of logic behind it.
But if its true , its kinda sad , my point of you.
