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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 03:16 PM
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We trade carbon monoxide for carbon dioxide or nitrous oxide, with the use of catalytic converters. ALL contribute to greenhouse gas and the greenhouse effect on Earth.
One of the most important functions of the catalytic converter is the oxidation of unburnt hydrocarbons (gasoline, diesel, and oil) into carbon dioxide and water.

So yes it's true that the Catalytic converter produces greenhouse gasses but it's making these gasses out of something that would be otherwise harmful to inhale.

But all this aside... if it's illegal and you'll get busted for it.. I'd say probably a bad idea. They can probably spot a catless car by the sound quicker than by the shooting flames. That or just the noxious smell of unburnt fuel.
Old Feb 3, 2009 | 03:22 PM
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One of the most important functions of the catalytic converter is the oxidation of unburnt hydrocarbons (gasoline, diesel, and oil) into carbon dioxide and water.

So yes it's true that the Catalytic converter produces greenhouse gasses but it's making these gasses out of something that would be otherwise harmful to inhale.

But all this aside... if it's illegal and you'll get busted for it.. I'd say probably a bad idea. They can probably spot a catless car by the sound quicker than by the shooting flames. That or just the noxious smell of unburnt fuel.
Be sure when you quote someone you are knowledgible about the subject! CO2 just as dangerous as CO just that RBC's have a higher affinity towards CO.
Old Feb 3, 2009 | 03:57 PM
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Be sure when you quote someone you are knowledgible about the subject! CO2 just as dangerous as CO just that RBC's have a higher affinity towards CO.
And that CO isn't naturally reduced by biological functions.
Old Feb 3, 2009 | 04:36 PM
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 05:01 PM
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well almost all of my friends run some sort of turbo'd car whether it be an hta35r evo, stock evo, 1g talon, or volvo ive seen all of them put out a lil puff of smoke...maybe can has stricker emissions i dono but im saying ive seen plenty do it...food for thought
Yeah my buddy has a 1g talon and his does it too
Old Feb 3, 2009 | 05:09 PM
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And that CO isn't naturally reduced by biological functions.
OK , Ill play your game. Its ok to increase CO2 as long as it is REDUCED by biological functions? Read more, And if it matters what you breath when there is no food around! http://www.news24.com/News24/Technol...461714,00.html
Old Feb 3, 2009 | 05:15 PM
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OK , Ill play your game. Its ok to increase CO2 as long as it is REDUCED by biological functions? Read more, And if it matters what you breath when there is no food around! http://www.news24.com/News24/Technol...461714,00.html
CO2 is cut down by biological functions, this is biology 101.
Old Feb 3, 2009 | 05:22 PM
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You sound like you took biology 101...and then stopped. Try telling a COPD, not just smokers, asthma, bronchitis) that their CO2 lvl will come down on its on its a biological function. Its not being reduced in the environment, the environment is being overwhelmed by it. Kinda like that COPD patient that can no longer clear it by what you say biological means!
Old Feb 3, 2009 | 05:28 PM
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Remember, if your old enough, in the early 80's when everyone was worried about acid rain.
CO2 +H2O=acid rain. It hurts the lowest of plant world and animal world. Thus in this case, crap rolls up hill!
Old Feb 3, 2009 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Td66
You sound like you took biology 101...and then stopped. Try telling a COPD, not just smokers, asthma, bronchitis) that their CO2 lvl will come down on its on its a biological function. Its not being reduced in the environment, the environment is being overwhelmed by it. Kinda like that COPD patient that can no longer clear it by what you say biological means!
Actually I have a degree in biology and I'm getting my MSc in molecular biology so that's a wonderful swing and a miss on your part. Clearly I'm referring to photosynthesis in plants and other activities in microorganisms. Global CO2 levels can be reduced by carbon sinks like large growing forests and oceans. The microenvironment of the lung is completely different since we are a none-photosynthetic organism.
Old Feb 3, 2009 | 06:09 PM
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Swing and a miss now thats an analogy! Just say your still in school. The largest biological fighter for CO2 dedrigation, the oceans, have become less alkaline. In this century, due to fossil fuels being burned, that accounts for a 50% decrease of the Earth to rid itself of CO2. Thus in turn effects the coral reefs, marine life, phytoplankton.I believe that address that big word photosynthesis. No plants, no photosynthesis. Oh, and good luck on your Masters!
Old Feb 3, 2009 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Td66
Be sure when you quote someone you are knowledgible about the subject!
Wow -- said with such force and authority! You even put an exclamation on the end of it to really drive it home. You really told me off that time.

Well.. all I can can say is thank you so much for setting me straight as to when I should and should not quote someone. You've saved be such a great deal of embarassment. What ever would I do without your direction?

Originally Posted by Td66
CO2 just as dangerous as CO.
Did I even say CO in my post? I said, "One of the most important functions of the catalytic converter is the oxidation of unburnt hydrocarbons (gasoline, diesel, and oil) into carbon dioxide and water. So yes it's true that the Catalytic converter produces greenhouse gasses but it's making these gasses out of something that would be otherwise harmful to inhale."

To put it another way, CO2 is far less toxic to breathe in than unburnt hydrocarbons. That's what I was saying and no one can argue that. You can't tell me breathing vaproized gasoline is no worse than inhailing some extra CO2.

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Oh, and good luck on your Masters!
Dude... just wow. just how many masters degrees do you hold?

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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 06:49 PM
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You did say carbon dioxide-CO2! Stop now you are already failing the debate....!!!...Also, although it may be more harmful short-term to future suicides that suck pipes, homes with unkept gas or woodburning stoves, it is no more harmful to the environment than CO2.

NOW you have been set straight!
Old Feb 3, 2009 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Td66
Swing and a miss now thats an analogy! Just say your still in school. The largest biological fighter for CO2 dedrigation, the oceans, have become less alkaline. In this century, due to fossil fuels being burned, that accounts for a 50% decrease of the Earth to rid itself of CO2. Thus in turn effects the coral reefs, marine life, phytoplankton.I believe that address that big word photosynthesis. No plants, no photosynthesis. Oh, and good luck on your Masters!
How does this point help your cause? If we're destroying the earth because of our emissions, what logic is there in making the problem worse by releasing other chemicals as well? Catalytic converters exist for a reason, I've yet to see an environmentalist propose running catless to "help" the environment. As for the first comment, sure I'm still in school in the same sense that a resident is still in school. I take no classes and I just do research.
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The cat also has more functions than just CO to CO2, the coversion of nitrogen oxides to nitrogen and oxygen is also important.


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