MR Pull out into traffic question in Normal Auto mode.
Mar 26, 2009 | 04:51 PM
#32
Mar 26, 2009 | 05:01 PM
#33
This problem seems like something Mitsubishi should have an update/reflash for...I'm sure people have complained to their dealers about it. With dual-clutch transmissions, the computer has to decide how aggressively it should engage the clutch, so an update would solve that problem. I haven't driven the new MR so I would not know about these problems, I would like to try to see just how it feels.
Mar 26, 2009 | 06:48 PM
#34
I have not really push the car in various mode since I am still in break in mode. There was one time I tried in sport mode and gunned it. I did feel a lag from stop then I went flying. I also had experience when I will put the car in neutral when waiting for fast food and when I engage to "D",, and gave it some gas, it will not engage right away. Like others here, I've had a GTI with DSG also and did not experience any lag from stop. The whole point of this tranny is quick shifts faster than an average guy using a manual and with this current set-up, it is nothing more but some nuisance. So I believe this is something a software update can correct. I think this tranny is way more capable than what it can possibly do and by retarding the unit will only stop us from finding out its full potential.
Mar 26, 2009 | 07:33 PM
#35
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Ok... So I have a 06 MR with a clutch that I control. Makes pulling out into traffic and crossing against traffic easy, and fun. Bring the revs up and let the clutch out quickly while feeding in the gas. Slingshot effect.... Then after 15k miles replace stock clutch. (I am at 27k on my stocker)
And now the wife has a 08 X MR. I can not figure out how to pull out into traffic in Normal Auto mode quickly (not neck breaking). The car does not inspire the same (anywhere near) confidence as the IX.
The car seems to think.... "Oh you want to go, lets just pull out nice and easy..... wait a sec... 3/4 throttle, WTF.... Hang on, slip the clutch, bring the revs up and now let the clutch out.... Ok.. Now we are moving."
Meanwhile I am like, come on... Feels like we are taking our time with a possibility of getting it in the door. But it seems to work out. Just not with authority.
What is the proper method of pulling out into traffic or hanging a left without running through the launch control method?
I think the SMGs of E46 M3s used to allow you to rev the motor while holding the stick in the forward position. Release the stick and car releases the clutch. Not sure. Do we have anything similar.
Ideas?
EVO
And now the wife has a 08 X MR. I can not figure out how to pull out into traffic in Normal Auto mode quickly (not neck breaking). The car does not inspire the same (anywhere near) confidence as the IX.
The car seems to think.... "Oh you want to go, lets just pull out nice and easy..... wait a sec... 3/4 throttle, WTF.... Hang on, slip the clutch, bring the revs up and now let the clutch out.... Ok.. Now we are moving."
Meanwhile I am like, come on... Feels like we are taking our time with a possibility of getting it in the door. But it seems to work out. Just not with authority.
What is the proper method of pulling out into traffic or hanging a left without running through the launch control method?
I think the SMGs of E46 M3s used to allow you to rev the motor while holding the stick in the forward position. Release the stick and car releases the clutch. Not sure. Do we have anything similar.
Ideas?
EVO
Completely agree the initial throttle lag is a huge annoyance when trying to take off briskly in traffic with the SST. Most people who have driven this car extensively in traffic seem to feel the same way. I suspect many here who suggest to 'hit the throttle harder' simply don't understand what you're talking about.
I used to have an E46 M3 SMG - the feature you mentioned was more for hill start purposes. Having said that, it was easy to play around with the clutch engagement / slip in regular traffic conditions and this sort of lag was a non-issue. Keep in mind the technology and design of the two transmissions are completely different concepts so it's difficult to compare the two systems.
Here's one technique that I've used before. As you let your foot off the brake, there is a small time lag before the car starts creeping forward. Use that 'gap' and do a light throttle blip before applying the throttle to accelerate. This seems to 'wake the system up'. You may want to test this a few times in clear traffic conditions first though...
The other solution as some others mentioned is the Blitz Throttle Controller, which is the route I went down in order to improve throttle response.
J
Mar 26, 2009 | 08:00 PM
#36
I had the same thing with the wifes auto WRX wagon. My auto 1991 v6 eagle vison has wicked lift off from a standstill despite the 170000 miles, way better than the WRX. Autos are awesome for traffic and the IX MR is awesome on the track. I guess you make certain trade offs (sometimes you get more junk in the trunk when getting better front assets if you know what I mean ;-)....
Mar 26, 2009 | 09:26 PM
#37
I don't think a software update will do much. The tranny and ECU are trying not to slip the clutch packs and provide a smooth take off. In fact the take off in this car is magically smooth compared to any other car on the market. It is that good. Unfortunately, it is horribly slow off the line and very insensitive to initial throttle imput. I also don't believe any electronic throttle control modual will improve things regarding this specific problem. Those devices provide more throttle imput signal with less throttle travel. In other words, you can get 100% throttle signal with only a small amount of travel without pressing the pedal to its stop point.
From a standstill, it doesn't matter if you push the pedal 10% or 100%, it is still slow. If a Blitz style device was installed, you would just not have to press far and full throttle would happen faster, but so what, the ECU will hold you back so you don't spin the wheels or burn the clutch.
I actually prefer to give very light throttle application when taking off especially when turning from a stand still and think the car responds a bit better than full throttle.
Just my two cents.
From a standstill, it doesn't matter if you push the pedal 10% or 100%, it is still slow. If a Blitz style device was installed, you would just not have to press far and full throttle would happen faster, but so what, the ECU will hold you back so you don't spin the wheels or burn the clutch.
I actually prefer to give very light throttle application when taking off especially when turning from a stand still and think the car responds a bit better than full throttle.
Just my two cents.
Mar 27, 2009 | 03:06 PM
#39
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Here's one technique that I've used before. As you let your foot off the brake, there is a small time lag before the car starts creeping forward. Use that 'gap' and do a light throttle blip before applying the throttle to accelerate. This seems to 'wake the system up'. You may want to test this a few times in clear traffic conditions first though...
Mar 28, 2009 | 02:45 AM
#42
Fear not everyone, there is hope for a better SST programming.
The same tranny is in VW's called DSG and tuner HPA was able to create a solution. http://www.hpamotorsports.com/dsg.htm
It is just a matter of time when EVO tuners or even Mitsubishi factory for that matter will be able to find a sweet spot for our tranny.
Maybe we should contact HPA?
The same tranny is in VW's called DSG and tuner HPA was able to create a solution. http://www.hpamotorsports.com/dsg.htm
It is just a matter of time when EVO tuners or even Mitsubishi factory for that matter will be able to find a sweet spot for our tranny.
Maybe we should contact HPA?
Mar 29, 2009 | 04:42 AM
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Eventually a software update, whether factory or aftermarket, will significantly improve if not totally eliminate this problem.
The DCT in the current M3 appears to have much better software. In the M3, the strength of the launch is clearly dependent upon either percent throttle opening or rate of change of throttle opening. For example, if you turn off traction control and floor the hell out of it from a stop then it will smoke the tires. If you give it sudden half gas, it will rev to 4.5k or so and agressively slip the clutch. In either case, there is a delay of a second or slightly less, but it's very predictable. It's very manageable after a brief adjustment period.
Someone mentioned that the GTR did not do this because of the amount of trq it makes. This has nearly nothing to do with absolute torque output and more to do with when and how much of the available trq can be delivered.
The DCT in the current M3 appears to have much better software. In the M3, the strength of the launch is clearly dependent upon either percent throttle opening or rate of change of throttle opening. For example, if you turn off traction control and floor the hell out of it from a stop then it will smoke the tires. If you give it sudden half gas, it will rev to 4.5k or so and agressively slip the clutch. In either case, there is a delay of a second or slightly less, but it's very predictable. It's very manageable after a brief adjustment period.
Someone mentioned that the GTR did not do this because of the amount of trq it makes. This has nearly nothing to do with absolute torque output and more to do with when and how much of the available trq can be delivered.
Mar 29, 2009 | 09:24 AM
#45
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Have you seen this yet?
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231020
BTW, this is AFTER the first batch of software update(s) which cured the sudden stalling of the engine but introduced other issues.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231020
BTW, this is AFTER the first batch of software update(s) which cured the sudden stalling of the engine but introduced other issues.