3000GT VR4 owners to EVO X
#46
Some what true. The car itself costs more compaired to an old DSM because its just all around a better car and more saught after. The 3sgte is a better engine then the 4g hands down.
Down side is the price to upgrade is high. Parts are harder to find and cost more. Not a whole lot of info on huge upgrade numbers either and most of which is mr2's. I think the best numbers for alltracs are still by Pat C, that hits 9 second quarters with full interior and a/c.
I find it fun to have something else most others dont. Ohh and the DSM may be able to take the alltrac on the street but its an off road car.... Turn the tables around and put the alltrac where it belongs. What would happen then?
Down side is the price to upgrade is high. Parts are harder to find and cost more. Not a whole lot of info on huge upgrade numbers either and most of which is mr2's. I think the best numbers for alltracs are still by Pat C, that hits 9 second quarters with full interior and a/c.
I find it fun to have something else most others dont. Ohh and the DSM may be able to take the alltrac on the street but its an off road car.... Turn the tables around and put the alltrac where it belongs. What would happen then?
#47
If we are talking about unreliable, starion/conquest took the cake.
I owned the 1987 conquest tsi attached. Engine blew just months after owning it. Bought another engine, warrantied it out twice because it blew twice more, then got rid of it. Throttle body injection and boost never mixed.
I owned the 1987 conquest tsi attached. Engine blew just months after owning it. Bought another engine, warrantied it out twice because it blew twice more, then got rid of it. Throttle body injection and boost never mixed.
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The 3sgte is a better engine then the 4g hands down.
I find it fun to have something else most others dont. Ohh and the DSM may be able to take the alltrac on the street but its an off road car.... Turn the tables around and put the alltrac where it belongs. What would happen then?
Last edited by GPTourer; Nov 23, 2009 at 01:12 PM.
#49
No. It costs more because Toyota has a better reputation then Mitsubishi and hold their value better simply because of their brand. But that doesn't make the car better. They are also probably, my guess, 10-15 turbo DSMs for every one Alltrac. Less supply means higher cost. I don't have to look very hard if I want a GSX.
Have you ever asked your self why that is? This again goes back to the amount made and that they cost as much as a set of wheels. There are tons of cars selling for so cheap that everyone uses them to upgrade. Much like camaros and mustangs. Because of this the engine got alot more testing and development when it comes to aftermarket performance. I wasnt talking about aftermarket support. I was talking about the over all design and quality of the motor. The 3sgte wins hands down as I said.
I do not know and don't care really. I know people rally both cars. I also know it takes a good bit of prep to turn a street car into a rally car. I also know that if I were to want to subject a car to rallying (ie beating the **** out of it) I'd rather start with a $500 DSM then a $5000 All-trac.
As I said the alltrac in my opinion is all around just a much better car. Plus I get the added bonus of having a car people will only see a few times in there lives. A true piece of automotive history.
~Nice looking GST by the way. I wouldn't mind having a GSX to add to my mini collection!
Last edited by hotrodhendrix; Nov 24, 2009 at 06:31 AM.
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Thats what I said for the most part but quality does make a difference. Allot of that comes from many cars over many years but everyone knows that toyota is better quality (not anymore but then) when compared to other manufacturers. Which is why there is a better reputation that helps hold the values.
Have you ever asked your self why that is? This again goes back to the amount made and that they cost as much as a set of wheels. There are tons of cars selling for so cheap that everyone uses them to upgrade. Much like camaros and mustangs. Because of this the engine got alot more testing and development when it comes to aftermarket performance. I wasnt talking about aftermarket support. I was talking about the over all design and quality of the motor. The 3sgte wins hands down as I said.
LOL. Much like I dont care that some DSM's are faster then alltracs on the street. Apples and oranges my good man. It does take a good bit of prep but the alltrac with its reinforced frame and many easy mods will kill the DSM. Or if your in Canada you can just get an RC/CS or Group A which was a street legal rally ready car. This is plain as day when you compair the WRC wins of both cars.....
As I said the alltrac in my opinion is all around just a much better car.
Nice looking GS-T by the way.
Last edited by GPTourer; Nov 24, 2009 at 08:59 AM.
#51
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I have to start by saying the '99 VR-4 is my personal all-time favorite car. I can definitely say they were one of the best Japanese cars of its time. In the 90's it was a technological marvel with its 4-wheel steering, active aero, 6-speed Getrag tranny and everything else. But Mitsubishi cut alot of those electronic gadgets because they made the car crazy expensive. Also, as everyone knows the car is hugely overweight. I think a loaded VR-4 is almost 4000 lbs. But compared to cars from one or two decades ago, technology now is so much more advanced that we get toys like Active Yaw Control and superhero transmissions and suspensions in the Evolution X for much less money. The VR-4 was a super car in its time, but it cant compete with today's sports cars.
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If we are talking about unreliable, starion/conquest took the cake.
I owned the 1987 conquest tsi attached. Engine blew just months after owning it. Bought another engine, warrantied it out twice because it blew twice more, then got rid of it. Throttle body injection and boost never mixed.
I owned the 1987 conquest tsi attached. Engine blew just months after owning it. Bought another engine, warrantied it out twice because it blew twice more, then got rid of it. Throttle body injection and boost never mixed.
heres after the gt37.its not very reliable now but hey i have the power.
respect the old school, but starion or 3000gt can't hang with an evo x.
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I loved mine, but I'd say the X is much better overall. It is tough to find one with under 100K miles these days, and most of them have been beaten. I had 2 and I sold them both with over 165K miles (last one sold with 200K miles) and I never really had many major issues with them. I didn't mod them too much other than intake, exh, boost controller, CFDS, and I didn't race them or anything so if you take care of them they can actually be very reliable.
The X just has more goodies and more space. Handles much better too.
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The X just has more goodies and more space. Handles much better too.
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The VR-4/GTO was a stellar looking vehicle for it's time, I even like the G VR-4, then again I've liked many Mitsubishi's from DSM's to todays current line up! I'm glad Mitsubishi is back to beings on it's own again, as Chrysler was a major killer of Mitsubishi reputation!!! The Starion's 2.6 was a great engine as my Dad's Mighty Max is running strong at 146k miles, rather than the valve guides needing replaced, it's still a very sound engine. No matter the make, there's always issues and there's also many instances where people modify and completely trash the vehicles and spread false rumors like cancer! Plain and simple, Mitsubishi isn't p.c. enough for the United States to make their choice brand, which I'm thrilled about, the less you stay out of the spot light the less scrutiny you're under! Now back to the topic, the 4g63 is a legendary engine and the DSM's were never intended to be a rally car, I'm still scratching my head about the alltrac comparison?