completely agree. going 10/10ths on a 458 italia doesn't come close in terms of feel to a civic si...

 

yes, yes, and yes...

these are street cars with power steering, not race cars with no power steering and 0.8 turns lock to lock. Wheel mounted paddles are WRONG. as is pulling back on the shifter for a downshift. it is WRONG.

even great car companies like porsche and bmw have made these mistakes and have been chastised for them. the fact that mitsu hit it out of the park on the first swing is VERY telling about how serious they take the evo...

left paddle upshift, right paddle downshift. console mounted. pull back for upshift, push foward for downshift. ANY other way is just WRONG. any other way is just a compromise...

 

Maybe I'm dating myself, but the old b&m shifters for rwd detroit iron were fwd to go faster gears (1,2,3) and pull back to the rear for lower/slower gears (3,2,1). it's been like that forever...I mean even the low gear on the prnd21 slushbox console shift is the back most position. pull back to slow down, push fwd to go faster..this convention has been around for decades, so I don't know where the reversal has come from unless your definition of upshift and downshift are different than mine.

ON EDIT: reread your own post, your push pull definition contradicts itself..I think we agree, but you wrote it wrong.

 

The STi isn't any faster than a GSR to 60, at least the 2008 model year wasn't! I have the road and track magazine which had the EVO GSR beating both the VW and STi. I don't keep up with Subaru so they may have changed things since the 08 model year! If you have a professional driver in the GSR it will beat an MR on the straights and on the coarse. However, most people don't possess those types of driving skills... People are going to argue this but the numbers don't lie, they both produce the same amount of HP but the MR weighs more and has a softer suspension system, don't buy into the who SST hype, it's a great step in the right direction but no transmission can shift it's way out of weight to power deficit. The MR has a 3500 redline clutch dump where as the GSR has a 5300 redline clutch dump, it takes two gear to get to 60, 1st and 2nd in a GSR, if you can't shift from 1st to 2nd quick enough to beat the MR maybe you shouldn't show up on race day...

 

Is there a way to get the new mapping from the 2010 MRs on the 08 MRs?

 

^^^^ U and everyone else that frequents the SST section is wondering that too.

 

Hey guys, take a look on this link... might be helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK4pL...om=PL&index=16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E4BS...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg7ne...eature=related

 

Those videos are nice, but once again it comes down to the driver of the manual, you get someone behind the wheel of the 5mt who knows what their doing and it's going to give the SST a fit, once again the SST is nice but it doesn't think like a human being (in some cases thats a positive), in the cases it will hamper the track time. Look up fifth gears review of the MR, you'll find the SST has it's fair share of perks as well as hiccups.

 

Just as a driver must learn how to drive a manual, a driver has to learn how to drive the SST and how it operates. Leaving it in auto mode is a sure let down, IMO. But once you understand it in manual mode, it's hard to beat it unless we're talking about off the line only.

 

EVERY test of the SST EVO MR proves two things:

1) The MR is faster on a track than a GSR. Every review with the EVO going up against exotics purposely chooses the MR over the GSR, including the aformentioned Road and Track issue against Lotus, BMW M3, jalopnik owner MR against Bob Lutz's CTS-V, etc.

2) The fastest times for the MR are always when it is in super sport mode and left in D: It IS that good. D-sport and Road and Track's original 2008 MR comparison found that to be true.

This is not to dog other companies DSG, but the SST does shift faster than a human can. It was engineered, designed, and tested to do so. Youtube edmunds spy video of an MR going around the Nurenburg in Germany back in 07 testing it to do so.

 

No, i mean what i wrote. back should be for upshift and foward for downshift. Thats the way it is on racecars. Thats the way it should be for ANY sporty car. i totally understand if your honda accord has a manual mode where you push foward for upshift and back for downshift, but even cars like the R8 do it this way. on a sports car it is ***-backwards. and yet our sh*tty mitsubishi got it right? Just goes to show you just how awesome the X is. how performance oriented it is. How the SST was built specifically for speed and not an adaptation of a civilian tranny...

the rule of thumb that i have noticed when it comes to shifting is this. the more natural motion = upshift. so upon acceleration, the more natural motion is pull back for upshift. therefore under braking, with negative g forces aplenty, the more natural motion for downshift is push foward.

another example is motorcycles. conventional shift pattern is 1-n-2-3-4-5-6 yet all race bikes have it backwards aka "race shift pattern" or whatever. Why? the more natural motion is to step down on the shifter so that motion is the upshift.

flappy paddles? most people are righty thus right paddle is upshift

wrc style single paddle? just like the stick: pulling back is more natural motion thus it is the upshift, foward is downshift

honda's new vfr1200 with DCT? index finger "trigger" is more natural thus it is used for upshift, thumb button for downshift.

case closed.

 

^^ Shifting works this same way on 125cc shifter karts

 

If you see pretty much any race car with sequential, it is up for downshift, down for upshift:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgy9vc4rf90

If you are in a need to shift while your right hand is on the left side of the steering wheel, then there must be something wrong with your driving technique, it should always be downshift while hardbraking, and never need to turn more than 90 degrees on the steering wheel while braking (when trailbraking, if you turn more, you will just get into understeer situation), back on throttle but very light while apexing (this is where you crank the steering wheel most), then full throttle followed by upshifts. If you need to shift while you are apexing, then you are in a wrong gear.

 

That must be why Formula 1 and WRC cars have stuck with traditional three pedal manual transmissions huh? So that the most skilled drivers on the planet can get the most out of their cars and have them be so much faster. You guys are geniuses!

...muppets.

Enjoy your traditional transmissions while you can, they will become obsolete along with those slush boxes of yesteryear.

I personally drive a GSR and kick myself all the time for not taking the plunge on the SST. The Getrag unit on the MR has been acclaimed by many reviewers as the best of its kind. You have to remember Mitsubishi worked with Getrag directly in its development and it saw first duty in the 2008 Evo X. There were bound to be some issues that have since been resolved with ease.

BMW was quick to jump on it and dumped its SMG transmission when considering options for a non traditional manual M3. Getrag added an extra forward gear, different programing and uprated torque capacity which I am sure future Evos will benefit from. You will probably see this transmission doing service in many more makes and models from here on out.

With the 2010 Evo X we can already see that by just reprogramming the software they have managed to pull about .5 seconds off the 0-60 time and that is with the heavier (steal roof and sunroof) Touring Package.

On a side note to the clever one that referred to G-Forces in a slalom test...

G-Forces are the measurement for a skid pad test, slalom tests results are provided in miles or kilometers per hour.

 

GSR is better in all aspects .....Just kidding I hate them. Just kidding again this thread is argumentative and not based in fact just opinion. That's just my factual opinion.


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