Need Help, buying an Evo
#1
Need Help, buying an Evo
I've read the wikipedia on all the models.
The only evo I have ever been in or driven is 2012 Evo GSR.
I'm bored of my 2011 Civic Si but I really appreciate the size of it after getting out of the Evo. The Evo felt quite large as a car but not bloated and ugly like an STI.
The older evos look smaller. I like the looks of the 2006 with SSL, it looks like a smaller car from the pictures. Suggestions would be great.
It's been suggested from reviews I have read that wanting it as a daily driver with being physically comfortable is not going to happen. They even go to say the STI is a better DD but from testing that car it rattled SO much.
Is it unrealistic that an evo could have a similar or better experience than the bumpy/jarring rides I feel in my Civic? Some of the roads here aren't in the best of shape as we have all 4 seasons here in Massachusetts.
Stock performance is fine by me (or at least for awhile who knows)
Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this.
The only evo I have ever been in or driven is 2012 Evo GSR.
I'm bored of my 2011 Civic Si but I really appreciate the size of it after getting out of the Evo. The Evo felt quite large as a car but not bloated and ugly like an STI.
The older evos look smaller. I like the looks of the 2006 with SSL, it looks like a smaller car from the pictures. Suggestions would be great.
It's been suggested from reviews I have read that wanting it as a daily driver with being physically comfortable is not going to happen. They even go to say the STI is a better DD but from testing that car it rattled SO much.
Is it unrealistic that an evo could have a similar or better experience than the bumpy/jarring rides I feel in my Civic? Some of the roads here aren't in the best of shape as we have all 4 seasons here in Massachusetts.
Stock performance is fine by me (or at least for awhile who knows)
Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this.
#2
A couple things
1) The Evo 8's and 9's were true track/rally cars. They were lighter and faster. Keeping in mind that they were built for speed, they lack a lot of other things like common amenities most cars come with such as Cruise Control. They also lack a lot of safety. They were "tinny" feeling because of the of lack typical sound dampening materials and steel reinforcement.
2) The 2008-12 Evo X's were built on the new lancer platform. One that is a top safety pick for the IIHS (2011 and 2012). They're heavier by a few hundred pounds, and a touch slower but were given quite a few more finishing touches than their predecessor (especially the 2012's).
3) Tires make a HUGE difference in the ride of a car. The stock Yokahama's are summer tires. If you put a good set of performance all weathers on, you should notice a big difference in the ride. It should be significantly quieter and softer. That said, this is a performance sports car! It's not an Escalade with air ride. It's not going to great on bumpy, or even slightly not smooth roads.
4) The Evo X has one of the most advanced all wheel drive system in the auto industry.
5) If the recaros aren't comfortable enough for you, lose some weight! Just kidding.
1) The Evo 8's and 9's were true track/rally cars. They were lighter and faster. Keeping in mind that they were built for speed, they lack a lot of other things like common amenities most cars come with such as Cruise Control. They also lack a lot of safety. They were "tinny" feeling because of the of lack typical sound dampening materials and steel reinforcement.
2) The 2008-12 Evo X's were built on the new lancer platform. One that is a top safety pick for the IIHS (2011 and 2012). They're heavier by a few hundred pounds, and a touch slower but were given quite a few more finishing touches than their predecessor (especially the 2012's).
3) Tires make a HUGE difference in the ride of a car. The stock Yokahama's are summer tires. If you put a good set of performance all weathers on, you should notice a big difference in the ride. It should be significantly quieter and softer. That said, this is a performance sports car! It's not an Escalade with air ride. It's not going to great on bumpy, or even slightly not smooth roads.
4) The Evo X has one of the most advanced all wheel drive system in the auto industry.
5) If the recaros aren't comfortable enough for you, lose some weight! Just kidding.
Last edited by TrogdorWBL; Apr 14, 2012 at 09:30 PM.
#3
A couple things
1) The Evo 8's and 9's were true track/rally cars. They were lighter and faster. Keeping in mind that they were built for speed, they lack a lot of other things like common amenities most cars come with such as Cruise Control. They also lack a lot of safety.
2) The 2008-12 Evo X's were built on the new lancer platform. One that is a top safety pick for the IIHS (2011 and 2012). They're heavier by a few hundred pounds, but were given quite a few more finishing touches than their predecessor.
3) Tires make a HUGE difference in the ride of a car. The stock Yokahama's are summer tires. If you put a good set of performance all weathers on, you should notice a big difference in the ride. It should be significantly quieter and softer. That said, this is a performance sports car! It's not an Escalade with air ride. It's not going to great on bumpy, or even slightly not smooth roads.
4) The Evo X has one of the most advanced all wheel drive system in the auto industry.
5) If the recaros aren't comfortable enough for you, lose some weight! Just kidding.
1) The Evo 8's and 9's were true track/rally cars. They were lighter and faster. Keeping in mind that they were built for speed, they lack a lot of other things like common amenities most cars come with such as Cruise Control. They also lack a lot of safety.
2) The 2008-12 Evo X's were built on the new lancer platform. One that is a top safety pick for the IIHS (2011 and 2012). They're heavier by a few hundred pounds, but were given quite a few more finishing touches than their predecessor.
3) Tires make a HUGE difference in the ride of a car. The stock Yokahama's are summer tires. If you put a good set of performance all weathers on, you should notice a big difference in the ride. It should be significantly quieter and softer. That said, this is a performance sports car! It's not an Escalade with air ride. It's not going to great on bumpy, or even slightly not smooth roads.
4) The Evo X has one of the most advanced all wheel drive system in the auto industry.
5) If the recaros aren't comfortable enough for you, lose some weight! Just kidding.
Hey thanks for writing back. The recaros are glorious. A perfect fit. My local mitsubishi dealership won't let me test drive more than a couple miles in each direction. I may have to drive out 30 min to another dealer or find somewhere with a used one that has more than 7 miles on it.
#4
Hey thanks for writing back. The recaros are glorious. A perfect fit. My local mitsubishi dealership won't let me test drive more than a couple miles in each direction. I may have to drive out 30 min to another dealer or find somewhere with a used one that has more than 7 miles on it.
The dealership I work at will let people test drive, but not for any kind of extended length. The set path I take people on for Evo and Ralliart test drives is only about a 6 mile loop. That's not to say I wouldn't let someone take it out a little longer, but even then it's only like another 4 or 5 miles.
The problem, we as a dealership, find ourselves in is this: We don't want people just joy riding in our high performance sports car. If you're serious about buying an Evo you obviously want to drive it. I sure as hell wouldn't expect you to buy a car from me with out driving it. That said, if you don't buy it, the next guy who does is going to want as few miles on it as he can get.
I had a guy who wanted to pay $600 in shipping just to get a car with fewer miles on it. And by the way - the one we had in the color he liked at 54 miles on it.
Last edited by TrogdorWBL; Apr 14, 2012 at 09:40 PM.
#5
I priced the options (2012 GSR) I want on mitsu sit and it came to $39130. How much do u think I can negotiate that down? I'm not trading in and I am aware if I order a 2011 I get $1500 cash back.
#6
Technically, the dealer takes the $1500, but yeah basically you get the '11 for $1500 less. However, there are less than 100, 2011 Evos left in the country (I was just looking for one for a customer today).
I'm actually not sure what to tell you about the negotiation price. The dealership I work for is a "Best Price" store, so we don't negotiate! So, I don't really know what those stores will sell them for.
What I can tell you is that we don't discount our Evo's that much because we're a large volume dealer and we sell every Evo we get on the lot. They're popular, and so it's a supply/demand thing. Typically the dealer discount we give on an Evo is only about $1500 less than MSRP.
So, I'd shoot for maybe $2000 less than MSRP? Also sometimes traditional negotiating stores will give you a better deal if they know in advance a couple of things:
You're going to finance through them. We get paid when you use one of our lenders. We're brokering a loan for the bank, so they pay us.
If you plan on buying an extended warranty. If you're going to keep it stock, I highly recommend getting one since it's only 3/36, 5/60 for the Evo rather than the usual 5/60 10/100 Mitsu warranty. Again, we get paid on these too for brokering the sale to a 3rd party warranty company.
A couple other tricks - ask how long the car has been on their lot. We don't own the cars on our lot. We pay interest on them as they sit there waiting to be sold. The longer a car sits, the more we want to get rid of it. But this works both ways. If you take a car off a truck, then it's not sitting on the lot and not costing us interest, so a good negotiator knows how to use this both ways.
Also, because it's obviously a supply/demand thing - if you go to a smaller dealer they may be willing to give you a better deal because they're less likely to sell a car that is $10,000 more than any other car they sell. It's kind of like my dad once told me about houses. You never want to be the single most expensive home in the neighborhood if you're trying to sell. People looking at a $150,000 home don't really want to/can't afford a $300,000 home so why even look? Same deal with a smaller Mitsu dealer. Most people are coming to us looking for an inexpensive, fuel efficient car or SUV. Most people looking to buy a $22,000 Outlander Sport have no interest in a $37,000 Evo. So, do a little research on the dealership first and find a smaller one if you can.
I'm actually not sure what to tell you about the negotiation price. The dealership I work for is a "Best Price" store, so we don't negotiate! So, I don't really know what those stores will sell them for.
What I can tell you is that we don't discount our Evo's that much because we're a large volume dealer and we sell every Evo we get on the lot. They're popular, and so it's a supply/demand thing. Typically the dealer discount we give on an Evo is only about $1500 less than MSRP.
So, I'd shoot for maybe $2000 less than MSRP? Also sometimes traditional negotiating stores will give you a better deal if they know in advance a couple of things:
You're going to finance through them. We get paid when you use one of our lenders. We're brokering a loan for the bank, so they pay us.
If you plan on buying an extended warranty. If you're going to keep it stock, I highly recommend getting one since it's only 3/36, 5/60 for the Evo rather than the usual 5/60 10/100 Mitsu warranty. Again, we get paid on these too for brokering the sale to a 3rd party warranty company.
A couple other tricks - ask how long the car has been on their lot. We don't own the cars on our lot. We pay interest on them as they sit there waiting to be sold. The longer a car sits, the more we want to get rid of it. But this works both ways. If you take a car off a truck, then it's not sitting on the lot and not costing us interest, so a good negotiator knows how to use this both ways.
Also, because it's obviously a supply/demand thing - if you go to a smaller dealer they may be willing to give you a better deal because they're less likely to sell a car that is $10,000 more than any other car they sell. It's kind of like my dad once told me about houses. You never want to be the single most expensive home in the neighborhood if you're trying to sell. People looking at a $150,000 home don't really want to/can't afford a $300,000 home so why even look? Same deal with a smaller Mitsu dealer. Most people are coming to us looking for an inexpensive, fuel efficient car or SUV. Most people looking to buy a $22,000 Outlander Sport have no interest in a $37,000 Evo. So, do a little research on the dealership first and find a smaller one if you can.
Last edited by TrogdorWBL; Apr 14, 2012 at 10:44 PM.
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#8
I'm on my second Evo. I highly recommend a X as it is slightly more refined. I had an VIII and after crashing it I like the X better also because it feels more solid/safe. Better crash test ratings by far. The VIII was slightly more fun to drive it felt smaller and lighter. The X ten is still quite exilerating especially after basic tuning, over a civic si it will feel stupid fast. You will not regret getting an EVO. I recommend getting an excellent condition used one. Save yourself $10k. Just find a nice stock one.
#9
If you want to leave it stock like you mentioned in the OP, a lease return with 32-48k miles will be about $7-10k less, but is likely to have been owned by some numb nuts who didn't really know what an Evo was and just wanted a sporty/fast car and is now finished abusing it after 3-4 years and isn't smart enough, or love it enough to buy it.
Used and modded or new and stock.
#10
Personally, I disagree if you're going to used route, heres my thoughts. If you plan to mod, take some time to find a used one modded similar to the way you would want it. It'll take some time, but it'll be worth it. Modded cars are generally well taken care of.
If you want to leave it stock like you mentioned in the OP, a lease return with 32-48k miles will be about $7-10k less, but is likely to have been owned by some numb nuts who didn't really know what an Evo was and just wanted a sporty/fast car and is now finished abusing it after 3-4 years and isn't smart enough, or love it enough to buy it.
Used and modded or new and stock.
If you want to leave it stock like you mentioned in the OP, a lease return with 32-48k miles will be about $7-10k less, but is likely to have been owned by some numb nuts who didn't really know what an Evo was and just wanted a sporty/fast car and is now finished abusing it after 3-4 years and isn't smart enough, or love it enough to buy it.
Used and modded or new and stock.
#12
#13
Don't think twice about getting an X. Anyone who tells you that it is not a good DD is either too old to handle the ride or too 'chunky' to fit the seats.
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