Newb Owner - Flooded engine question
Oct 15, 2012, 11:04 AM
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Newb Owner - Flooded engine question
can you flood the engine by trying to start the engine multiple times? i'm at a loss here. my car wouldn't start this morning after maybe trying 5 times. i didn't give it any gas while trying to start it. battery's fine...thinking it's the relay. i got it towed under warranty to the dealer. there is no outstanding recall, but i never got the relay replaced. the tow guy was actually able to start it again when he was taking it off the flatbed.
just got a call saying they were able to reproduce the problem by letting it sit a while. they had trouble starting again, but was able to after multiple tries. now the engine's flooded and the spark plug is covered with it as well. i gotta pay for them to clean it up and change the oil (lol) before they can continue with the diagnostic. doesn't the gasoline just evaporate? are they trying to screw me here? i thought you can't flood with fuel injection type cars...
maybe i have no idea what i'm talking about.
just got a call saying they were able to reproduce the problem by letting it sit a while. they had trouble starting again, but was able to after multiple tries. now the engine's flooded and the spark plug is covered with it as well. i gotta pay for them to clean it up and change the oil (lol) before they can continue with the diagnostic. doesn't the gasoline just evaporate? are they trying to screw me here? i thought you can't flood with fuel injection type cars...
maybe i have no idea what i'm talking about.
Oct 16, 2012, 05:01 AM
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When you say "They" do you mean the dealer? So what happened? You couldn't start the car, took it to the dealer (by tow truck), they couldn't either (for a while anyway), and flooded it. But then, did get it started again? Then what happened? Who pulled the spark plug to check it? So they want to charge you to clean it up? What does that mean? Change the oil? Why possibly? Change your own oil later.
Typically a flooded engine will fix itself over time as the fuel evaporates. The question is, why did it flood (if it did) in the first place? Do they still have the car? I guess I'm a little confused.
Typically a flooded engine will fix itself over time as the fuel evaporates. The question is, why did it flood (if it did) in the first place? Do they still have the car? I guess I'm a little confused.
Oct 16, 2012, 09:42 AM
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the dealer (they).
they tried unsuccessfully to start the car, and eventually got it started and a big cloud of smoke came out of the exhaust (they told me that, i did not witness this).
yes, they claim it's flooded, have to change oil and spark plugs. the tech pulled the plugs and determined the engine's flooded.
they didn't outright accuse me of doing the flooding, so i fought them on why i have to pay when i didn't do it. they are now replacing the spark plugs for free, and charging me the cost of oil to replace the old oil. i was due for an oil change anyway, so whatever.
they still have the car so i've been without a car for 2 days now. i'm gonna call them to check up on wtf is going on.
they tried unsuccessfully to start the car, and eventually got it started and a big cloud of smoke came out of the exhaust (they told me that, i did not witness this).
yes, they claim it's flooded, have to change oil and spark plugs. the tech pulled the plugs and determined the engine's flooded.
they didn't outright accuse me of doing the flooding, so i fought them on why i have to pay when i didn't do it. they are now replacing the spark plugs for free, and charging me the cost of oil to replace the old oil. i was due for an oil change anyway, so whatever.
they still have the car so i've been without a car for 2 days now. i'm gonna call them to check up on wtf is going on.
When you say "They" do you mean the dealer? So what happened? You couldn't start the car, took it to the dealer (by tow truck), they couldn't either (for a while anyway), and flooded it. But then, did get it started again? Then what happened? Who pulled the spark plug to check it? So they want to charge you to clean it up? What does that mean? Change the oil? Why possibly? Change your own oil later.
Typically a flooded engine will fix itself over time as the fuel evaporates. The question is, why did it flood (if it did) in the first place? Do they still have the car? I guess I'm a little confused.
Typically a flooded engine will fix itself over time as the fuel evaporates. The question is, why did it flood (if it did) in the first place? Do they still have the car? I guess I'm a little confused.
Oct 16, 2012, 11:06 AM
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the dealer (they).
they tried unsuccessfully to start the car, and eventually got it started and a big cloud of smoke came out of the exhaust (they told me that, i did not witness this).
yes, they claim it's flooded, have to change oil and spark plugs. the tech pulled the plugs and determined the engine's flooded.
they didn't outright accuse me of doing the flooding, so i fought them on why i have to pay when i didn't do it. they are now replacing the spark plugs for free, and charging me the cost of oil to replace the old oil. i was due for an oil change anyway, so whatever.
they still have the car so i've been without a car for 2 days now. i'm gonna call them to check up on wtf is going on.
they tried unsuccessfully to start the car, and eventually got it started and a big cloud of smoke came out of the exhaust (they told me that, i did not witness this).
yes, they claim it's flooded, have to change oil and spark plugs. the tech pulled the plugs and determined the engine's flooded.
they didn't outright accuse me of doing the flooding, so i fought them on why i have to pay when i didn't do it. they are now replacing the spark plugs for free, and charging me the cost of oil to replace the old oil. i was due for an oil change anyway, so whatever.
they still have the car so i've been without a car for 2 days now. i'm gonna call them to check up on wtf is going on.
You didn't run your car thru a mile deep of water.
But yet on a regular morning you couldn't start your car.
You had it tow'd to the stealership.
Where they finally were able to start the car. Then a poof of white smoke came out. Shut it down
and determined Fluid on your oil. That caused the issues
does that sum it up?
I am confused how fluids are on your engine to start of with.
And what kind of fluid is it.
If its coolant then your engine is shot. and it could be a faulty engine.
If its water.. how did it get in there.
Oct 16, 2012, 11:38 AM
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This all sounds way too fishy...
did they say what color the smoke was... that'll tell you which you have in the engine upon starting it. Its blue grey when its oil, its grey when you have a leaking head gasket, and its black when the fuel mix is rich...
any of these problems aren't life or death to an engine; especailly one that was fine till the day of the incident, or an engine that has just started to flood wouldn't require new spark plugs.
did they say what color the smoke was... that'll tell you which you have in the engine upon starting it. Its blue grey when its oil, its grey when you have a leaking head gasket, and its black when the fuel mix is rich...
any of these problems aren't life or death to an engine; especailly one that was fine till the day of the incident, or an engine that has just started to flood wouldn't require new spark plugs.
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the dealer (they).
they tried unsuccessfully to start the car, and eventually got it started and a big cloud of smoke came out of the exhaust (they told me that, i did not witness this).
yes, they claim it's flooded, have to change oil and spark plugs. the tech pulled the plugs and determined the engine's flooded.
they didn't outright accuse me of doing the flooding, so i fought them on why i have to pay when i didn't do it. they are now replacing the spark plugs for free, and charging me the cost of oil to replace the old oil. i was due for an oil change anyway, so whatever.
they still have the car so i've been without a car for 2 days now. i'm gonna call them to check up on wtf is going on.
they tried unsuccessfully to start the car, and eventually got it started and a big cloud of smoke came out of the exhaust (they told me that, i did not witness this).
yes, they claim it's flooded, have to change oil and spark plugs. the tech pulled the plugs and determined the engine's flooded.
they didn't outright accuse me of doing the flooding, so i fought them on why i have to pay when i didn't do it. they are now replacing the spark plugs for free, and charging me the cost of oil to replace the old oil. i was due for an oil change anyway, so whatever.
they still have the car so i've been without a car for 2 days now. i'm gonna call them to check up on wtf is going on.
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so let me get this straight.
You didn't run your car thru a mile deep of water.
But yet on a regular morning you couldn't start your car.
You had it tow'd to the stealership.
Where they finally were able to start the car. Then a poof of white smoke came out. Shut it down
and determined Fluid on your oil. That caused the issues
does that sum it up?
I am confused how fluids are on your engine to start of with.
And what kind of fluid is it.
If its coolant then your engine is shot. and it could be a faulty engine.
If its water.. how did it get in there.
You didn't run your car thru a mile deep of water.
But yet on a regular morning you couldn't start your car.
You had it tow'd to the stealership.
Where they finally were able to start the car. Then a poof of white smoke came out. Shut it down
and determined Fluid on your oil. That caused the issues
does that sum it up?
I am confused how fluids are on your engine to start of with.
And what kind of fluid is it.
If its coolant then your engine is shot. and it could be a faulty engine.
If its water.. how did it get in there.
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Interesting... future reference, when flooded next time just flat foot the gas pedal while you start it. It kills the injectors, after it fires up just lift throttle of course.
Oct 16, 2012, 03:19 PM
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As in they are turned off?
that doesn't make sense for flat footing it.
or did I miss something.
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