Anyone else feel an improvement when they change their oil?
Apr 23, 2013 | 11:15 AM
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Well first thing is your body is part of you. If somebody slapped you you would feel it, if the slapped your car you wouldn't feel it. (And then THEY would feel it, lol)
Second if any body could feel the change, and I'm still going with IF, a race car driver DRIVING a race car may. Especially something like F1 that has tolerances on the edge. But we are talking a race car. Something you push 100% of the time you are in it. I don't think our bodies can tell a 1 or 2 hp difference if oil actually did that. Maybe if you changed your oil at 20k miles you might hear a difference. I just don't see how oil with 3500 miles can slow your engine enough for you to feel it. But who knows.
I am willing to bet if you were planning in changing your oil this Sunday and I snuck over Friday night and changed it without you knowing, you would drive around all day Saturday not feeling any difference. Then Sunday you would change it and think you feel a difference.
I'm with you on I feel different after an oil change. It's kind of like after camping out for a weekend with no showers you go home and take a shower and you "feel clean" I don't know that having a little dirt on your body is something you can feel but it just feels different after you shower. That's how I feel right after the oil us changed. But it's in my head. The car isn't driving any different.
But this is all just speculation on my part. I don't know what anybody else feels and doesn't feel.
I think it's human nature to think you feel something after you know something has been done. I have heard people say they added an UICP and "felt the HP" difference. Maybe I'm just not that sensitive.
We are also more hyper aware after we do things to our cars so we look for changes. When I was an insurance adjuster I can't even tell you how many cars came in with minor bumper cover damage but once the client got their car back they call complaining that this part is squeaking or that part is making a funny noise or the car is pulling to the left even though it was a little damage on the rear bumper. They are just noticing things that have always been there that they got used to but now after the accident they are LOOKING for other things.
Second if any body could feel the change, and I'm still going with IF, a race car driver DRIVING a race car may. Especially something like F1 that has tolerances on the edge. But we are talking a race car. Something you push 100% of the time you are in it. I don't think our bodies can tell a 1 or 2 hp difference if oil actually did that. Maybe if you changed your oil at 20k miles you might hear a difference. I just don't see how oil with 3500 miles can slow your engine enough for you to feel it. But who knows.
I am willing to bet if you were planning in changing your oil this Sunday and I snuck over Friday night and changed it without you knowing, you would drive around all day Saturday not feeling any difference. Then Sunday you would change it and think you feel a difference.
I'm with you on I feel different after an oil change. It's kind of like after camping out for a weekend with no showers you go home and take a shower and you "feel clean" I don't know that having a little dirt on your body is something you can feel but it just feels different after you shower. That's how I feel right after the oil us changed. But it's in my head. The car isn't driving any different.
But this is all just speculation on my part. I don't know what anybody else feels and doesn't feel.
I think it's human nature to think you feel something after you know something has been done. I have heard people say they added an UICP and "felt the HP" difference. Maybe I'm just not that sensitive.
We are also more hyper aware after we do things to our cars so we look for changes. When I was an insurance adjuster I can't even tell you how many cars came in with minor bumper cover damage but once the client got their car back they call complaining that this part is squeaking or that part is making a funny noise or the car is pulling to the left even though it was a little damage on the rear bumper. They are just noticing things that have always been there that they got used to but now after the accident they are LOOKING for other things.
Read that over again and let this be the end of the thread.
You notice a difference because the wear changes the viscosity of the oil. Thus, slightly more sluggish feel to acceleration, and slightly louder valve train noise.
Compare it to a professional athlete and his diet. If he cheats his diet and eats fast food for 1 meal, his next workout will suffer. Yeah, it was just a fkn big mac, but a professional athlete is very aware of his finely tuned body, and he will notice even the littlest of things throwing it off. Basically what i'm trying to say, is if you think this oil effect is a placebo, you are not, nor are you capable of being a racecar driver.
You notice a difference because the wear changes the viscosity of the oil. Thus, slightly more sluggish feel to acceleration, and slightly louder valve train noise.
Compare it to a professional athlete and his diet. If he cheats his diet and eats fast food for 1 meal, his next workout will suffer. Yeah, it was just a fkn big mac, but a professional athlete is very aware of his finely tuned body, and he will notice even the littlest of things throwing it off. Basically what i'm trying to say, is if you think this oil effect is a placebo, you are not, nor are you capable of being a racecar driver.
Apr 24, 2013 | 08:45 AM
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Well first thing is your body is part of you. If somebody slapped you you would feel it, if the slapped your car you wouldn't feel it. (And then THEY would feel it, lol)
Second if any body could feel the change, and I'm still going with IF, a race car driver DRIVING a race car may. Especially something like F1 that has tolerances on the edge. But we are talking a race car. Something you push 100% of the time you are in it. I don't think our bodies can tell a 1 or 2 hp difference if oil actually did that. Maybe if you changed your oil at 20k miles you might hear a difference. I just don't see how oil with 3500 miles can slow your engine enough for you to feel it. But who knows.
I am willing to bet if you were planning in changing your oil this Sunday and I snuck over Friday night and changed it without you knowing, you would drive around all day Saturday not feeling any difference. Then Sunday you would change it and think you feel a difference.
I'm with you on I feel different after an oil change. It's kind of like after camping out for a weekend with no showers you go home and take a shower and you "feel clean" I don't know that having a little dirt on your body is something you can feel but it just feels different after you shower. That's how I feel right after the oil us changed. But it's in my head. The car isn't driving any different.
But this is all just speculation on my part. I don't know what anybody else feels and doesn't feel.
I think it's human nature to think you feel something after you know something has been done. I have heard people say they added an UICP and "felt the HP" difference. Maybe I'm just not that sensitive.
We are also more hyper aware after we do things to our cars so we look for changes. When I was an insurance adjuster I can't even tell you how many cars came in with minor bumper cover damage but once the client got their car back they call complaining that this part is squeaking or that part is making a funny noise or the car is pulling to the left even though it was a little damage on the rear bumper. They are just noticing things that have always been there that they got used to but now after the accident they are LOOKING for other things.
Second if any body could feel the change, and I'm still going with IF, a race car driver DRIVING a race car may. Especially something like F1 that has tolerances on the edge. But we are talking a race car. Something you push 100% of the time you are in it. I don't think our bodies can tell a 1 or 2 hp difference if oil actually did that. Maybe if you changed your oil at 20k miles you might hear a difference. I just don't see how oil with 3500 miles can slow your engine enough for you to feel it. But who knows.
I am willing to bet if you were planning in changing your oil this Sunday and I snuck over Friday night and changed it without you knowing, you would drive around all day Saturday not feeling any difference. Then Sunday you would change it and think you feel a difference.
I'm with you on I feel different after an oil change. It's kind of like after camping out for a weekend with no showers you go home and take a shower and you "feel clean" I don't know that having a little dirt on your body is something you can feel but it just feels different after you shower. That's how I feel right after the oil us changed. But it's in my head. The car isn't driving any different.
But this is all just speculation on my part. I don't know what anybody else feels and doesn't feel.
I think it's human nature to think you feel something after you know something has been done. I have heard people say they added an UICP and "felt the HP" difference. Maybe I'm just not that sensitive.
We are also more hyper aware after we do things to our cars so we look for changes. When I was an insurance adjuster I can't even tell you how many cars came in with minor bumper cover damage but once the client got their car back they call complaining that this part is squeaking or that part is making a funny noise or the car is pulling to the left even though it was a little damage on the rear bumper. They are just noticing things that have always been there that they got used to but now after the accident they are LOOKING for other things.
Think what you want.
Common practice in racecar engineering: During test days at the track, engineers are PROHIBITED from discussing any tweaks to the suspension and engine when the driver is around. The driver goes out for a few laps and is timed, car comes in the pit, tweaks are made, process is repeated. Engineers get feedback from datalogging as well as the driver's mouth. These 2 sources of feedback are what drive tuning changes to achieve the fastest lap time possible.
These drivers notice minute changes in ackerman, camber, aero, afr tweaks, you name it. Something like change in oil viscocity is like night and day compared to some of the tweaks we engineers make.
I guarantee you. If you change MY oil without my knowledge (if the oil is on its way out) I WILL notice a difference the second i take off from my driveway.
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Apr 25, 2013 | 11:54 AM
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Apr 25, 2013 | 11:57 AM
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I would bet my Evo on this. So the bet is I randomly change your oil and by the time you get out of the driveway you let me know it has been changed. If you say it has when it hasn't, your Evo is mine. If you win, I'll give you mine.
Just arranging to change your oil will be the tricky part.
Just arranging to change your oil will be the tricky part.
Think what you want.
Common practice in racecar engineering: During test days at the track, engineers are PROHIBITED from discussing any tweaks to the suspension and engine when the driver is around. The driver goes out for a few laps and is timed, car comes in the pit, tweaks are made, process is repeated. Engineers get feedback from datalogging as well as the driver's mouth. These 2 sources of feedback are what drive tuning changes to achieve the fastest lap time possible.
These drivers notice minute changes in ackerman, camber, aero, afr tweaks, you name it. Something like change in oil viscocity is like night and day compared to some of the tweaks we engineers make.
I guarantee you. If you change MY oil without my knowledge (if the oil is on its way out) I WILL notice a difference the second i take off from my driveway.
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Common practice in racecar engineering: During test days at the track, engineers are PROHIBITED from discussing any tweaks to the suspension and engine when the driver is around. The driver goes out for a few laps and is timed, car comes in the pit, tweaks are made, process is repeated. Engineers get feedback from datalogging as well as the driver's mouth. These 2 sources of feedback are what drive tuning changes to achieve the fastest lap time possible.
These drivers notice minute changes in ackerman, camber, aero, afr tweaks, you name it. Something like change in oil viscocity is like night and day compared to some of the tweaks we engineers make.
I guarantee you. If you change MY oil without my knowledge (if the oil is on its way out) I WILL notice a difference the second i take off from my driveway.
end thread.
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