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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 11:06 AM
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agreed. But there are camber kits for both the front and back of honda/acura's. I could find the links if need be to prove that to you. Given I really dont know that much about awd cars or evo's. That I will admit. When it comes to the rsx, I know more about it and how to mod it then anyone in my area. I took an otherwise stock 06 type s and ran 14.4's all day with only $500 in mods to it. I do have learning to do on the evo and awd cars, and I am as I go along.

LOL did you even read what Chu said in his most recent post..? We know there are camber kits out for Honda's and Acura's already but Chu mentioned there aren't any for the EVO, mind you you're on an evo forum so nobody cares if there are Camber Kits for Honda's or Acuras. Furthermore, like Chu said, you're comparing two completely differed suspension Geometries. Universal facts aren't as universal as they used to be. As i've mentioned before there really isn't enough travel room on the stock shocks no matter what you do with the camber... change teh camber all you want. 2" drop and you'll be in for a rough ride, less you decide to grab the MR Bilsteins.

On top of that, some research shows that lowering the X past a certain point increases roll... you try to fix that with Camber, please.

But we're off topic, OP, as i've mentioned before i would really go with Swifts over Eibachs. other than that if you can wait a couple month's i'd really go with the package that GTworx is going to put out. It's a Spring/R sway bar combo. Andrew at GTworx is super knowledgeable and is my go to guy for any suspensions questions. I'd ask him.. IMHO, Eibach's are terrible in terms of performance but great in the look department.
Old Jul 26, 2010 | 11:06 AM
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oh, i also forgot the mention that megan parts in general are absolutely terrible in terms of performance, quality, and R&D... etc.
Old Jul 26, 2010 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by gman88
I am not attempting to. But it also isnt totally impossible. Lowing a car lowers the center of gravity. However if you lower it to much and dont fix the chamber your car essentially drives on the very inside of the tire which isnt good for handling. I agree with that, But if you put a chamber kit in it to fix this the tire will have more contact on the road thus improving grip and handling
The EVO has camber adjustability stock, it's enough to correct any issues from lowering the car.

The problem with dropping the EVO with springs 2 inches is that you do not have enough suspension travel for the shock to work well. The result is poor handling and ride quality. The suspension geometry is definitely also a problem, but I'd say the lack of travel is more the limiting factor when lowering on just springs.

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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by go_dlee
LOL did you even read what Chu said in his most recent post..? We know there are camber kits out for Honda's and Acura's already but Chu mentioned there aren't any for the EVO, mind you you're on an evo forum so nobody cares if there are Camber Kits for Honda's or Acuras. Furthermore, like Chu said, you're comparing two completely differed suspension Geometries. Universal facts aren't as universal as they used to be. As i've mentioned before there really isn't enough travel room on the stock shocks no matter what you do with the camber... change teh camber all you want. 2" drop and you'll be in for a rough ride, less you decide to grab the MR Bilsteins.

On top of that, some research shows that lowering the X past a certain point increases roll... you try to fix that with Camber, please.

But we're off topic, OP, as i've mentioned before i would really go with Swifts over Eibachs. other than that if you can wait a couple month's i'd really go with the package that GTworx is going to put out. It's a Spring/R sway bar combo. Andrew at GTworx is super knowledgeable and is my go to guy for any suspensions questions. I'd ask him.. IMHO, Eibach's are terrible in terms of performance but great in the look department.
Thanks for your comments. I had a feeling what I wrote was not being read carefully. I don't have an X, but I have had a glimpse of the suspension geometry.

OP, this would not be an informative thread when theres are comments that are senseless.

Andrew, thanks for chiming in. I look forward to the release on the GT Worx setup. I have a few friends waiting for it!
Old Jul 26, 2010 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by go_dlee
LOL did you even read what Chu said in his most recent post..? We know there are camber kits out for Honda's and Acura's already but Chu mentioned there aren't any for the EVO, mind you you're on an evo forum so nobody cares if there are Camber Kits for Honda's or Acuras. Furthermore, like Chu said, you're comparing two completely differed suspension Geometries. Universal facts aren't as universal as they used to be. As i've mentioned before there really isn't enough travel room on the stock shocks no matter what you do with the camber... change teh camber all you want. 2" drop and you'll be in for a rough ride, less you decide to grab the MR Bilsteins.

On top of that, some research shows that lowering the X past a certain point increases roll... you try to fix that with Camber, please.

But we're off topic, OP, as i've mentioned before i would really go with Swifts over Eibachs. other than that if you can wait a couple month's i'd really go with the package that GTworx is going to put out. It's a Spring/R sway bar combo. Andrew at GTworx is super knowledgeable and is my go to guy for any suspensions questions. I'd ask him.. IMHO, Eibach's are terrible in terms of performance but great in the look department.
Simple misread, no need to go postal on me. Dropping a car 2 inches will always lead to a rough ride if you dont get shocks to pair up, plain and simple and most people should know that before they even buy them, common sense. And roll can be fixed by larger sway bars. Nothing is impossible to do, thats the bottom line. People are going to mod there cars the way they want to. And while they may look to people for advice, the decision is up to them. I personally only plan on dropping mine when I get it on the eibach pro-kit. I have had the sportlines which are a larger 2" drop and the ride was close to stock
Old Jul 26, 2010 | 12:39 PM
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I've looked all over this forum and have found nothing on these springs. I found out that they have a 2" drop in the front and a 1.75" drop in the rear. The spring rate is 5.0 for the front and 4.5 for the rear. I found 1 person over on the evoxforum that has them, they look good. Really low though, I would also imagine that with that spring rate they would ride rough. I'm not really interested in getting coil overs, I just want the "look", no track use for me just daily driving. Any input would be great.
I wouldnt go with the megans per say for a spring to drop the car. There are other companies out there to look at. IF its going to be a DD, then go with a smaller drop spring. just enough to get rid of some of the wheel gap. Dropping any car 2 inches can cause you to need to buy alot of other parts in the process to get tire wear back in control so your not running on the inside 1/3 of the tire
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Tire wear is not the issue and shock valving is not the issue. You can correct the alignment without buying anything, the OEM adjustment is enough.

The issue is that the car will be sitting on the bumpstops up front, and in a turn your spring rates will spike extremely high and the car will understeer. The shock simply can't compress any more. Add a mid-corner bump into that and the car will simply bounce out from the apex since there is no compliance. But even on a smooth circuit or road, it's not going to handle well because the outside front tire will be overloaded just from body roll. Valving can't really fix this, it's a travel issue.

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Old Jul 26, 2010 | 04:07 PM
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^^ OP, i'd take it from Andrew. Has a great rep in the evo community for knowing his suspension info etc. Hell, i'm waiting for him to finish that combo package and may hold out on buying the HKS hipermax's non sport just for their product as it's R&D'd very thoroughly.
Old Jul 26, 2010 | 06:05 PM
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Megan Racing has improved over the last few years, but still you get what you pay for.
Old Jul 27, 2010 | 07:09 PM
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I agree a 2" spring drop is a bit extreme, unless you are going with coil overs, I really would like to get rid of the wheel gap. I have not seen any of the Megan products first hand, but by the pictures that I've seen I have to agree with go_dlee about the quality. It seems to be lacking in that department. Getting some good info from you guys.
Old Jul 31, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by go_dlee
like a lot of suspension guru's say anything more than a 1" drop in fact hurts handling. Meaning your car will handle worse even as stock. So with that... pretty much anything other than Swifts are trash.
I disagree.

My GSR handles WAY better after having my H&R springs / Whiteline RCA kit / Megan Racing rear lower arms installed.

IMO Swifts are soft, expensive, and give a weaksauce drop. Although I can't speak for Megan Racing springs, the quality of their rear lower arms are excellent.

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Old Aug 1, 2010 | 09:07 AM
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They look good, a little on the dirty side though
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 04:35 PM
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Will coilovers fix this problem?

Originally Posted by GTWORX.com

The problem with dropping the EVO with springs 2 inches is that you do not have enough suspension travel for the shock to work well. The result is poor handling and ride quality. The suspension geometry is definitely also a problem, but I'd say the lack of travel is more the limiting factor when lowering on just springs.

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Old Sep 8, 2010 | 04:53 PM
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Will coilovers fix this problem?
Most good coilovers let you run lower ride heights and still maintain an acceptable amount of travel. 2 inches is low enough that I would definitely do the Whiteline front RCA kit AND I would be running firmer rates at that point.

And riding on the bumpstops is deceptive....it can feel fast on a smooth road but at the limit that spring rate spikes and you'll find yourself overloading the tires sooner.

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What exactly does the Whiteline front RCA kit do?



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