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Jul 23, 2011, 03:53 PM
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This is where I don't see the point. For $1500 you are about $300 away from KWs quoted from vendors on this site without the hassle of having to put the things together and THEN install them, without having to have access to the tools or expertise to put the things together, without having to do much of anything other than bolt the things on.
Additionally, they carry a warranty...for life.
For $1500 dollars you can by H &R coilovers that are made by Bilstein that have adjustable ride height (but no adjustment for valving..they can probably be revalved by Bilstein though).
Both seem a better solution to me than messing with all the work you are talking about here. And a better solution than crappy coilovers. For some (not evos) cars, you could easily have adjustable damping KYBs if you are OK with fixed ride height.
We disagree. I don't see the point in these anymore or for that matter, cheap coilovers in general. Some areas you can cut corners on and it will not matter. I just don't think this is one of them.
Additionally, they carry a warranty...for life.
For $1500 dollars you can by H &R coilovers that are made by Bilstein that have adjustable ride height (but no adjustment for valving..they can probably be revalved by Bilstein though).
Both seem a better solution to me than messing with all the work you are talking about here. And a better solution than crappy coilovers. For some (not evos) cars, you could easily have adjustable damping KYBs if you are OK with fixed ride height.
We disagree. I don't see the point in these anymore or for that matter, cheap coilovers in general. Some areas you can cut corners on and it will not matter. I just don't think this is one of them.
Jul 23, 2011, 05:30 PM
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This is where I don't see the point. For $1500 you are about $300 away from KWs quoted from vendors on this site without the hassle of having to put the things together and THEN install them, without having to have access to the tools or expertise to put the things together, without having to do much of anything other than bolt the things on.
Additionally, they carry a warranty...for life.
For $1500 dollars you can by H &R coilovers that are made by Bilstein that have adjustable ride height (but no adjustment for valving..they can probably be revalved by Bilstein though).
Both seem a better solution to me than messing with all the work you are talking about here. And a better solution than crappy coilovers. For some (not evos) cars, you could easily have adjustable damping KYBs if you are OK with fixed ride height.
We disagree. I don't see the point in these anymore or for that matter, cheap coilovers in general. Some areas you can cut corners on and it will not matter. I just don't think this is one of them.
Additionally, they carry a warranty...for life.
For $1500 dollars you can by H &R coilovers that are made by Bilstein that have adjustable ride height (but no adjustment for valving..they can probably be revalved by Bilstein though).
Both seem a better solution to me than messing with all the work you are talking about here. And a better solution than crappy coilovers. For some (not evos) cars, you could easily have adjustable damping KYBs if you are OK with fixed ride height.
We disagree. I don't see the point in these anymore or for that matter, cheap coilovers in general. Some areas you can cut corners on and it will not matter. I just don't think this is one of them.
Jul 23, 2011, 08:40 PM
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Honestly, the cheapest I would go is $1799 for stock KWs (just pm the venders here) If you have a litlle more money, add a roll center kit and rear sway. Otherwise, go with GTworx springs on stock struts and rear sway and the roll center kit if you can afford it. At some point down the road you have the money for good coilovers you will have the rest already.
If you want better, ASTs, robispec modified kws or Ohlins.
If you want better, ASTs, robispec modified kws or Ohlins.
Jul 23, 2011, 09:23 PM
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Honestly, the cheapest I would go is $1799 for stock KWs (just pm the venders here) If you have a litlle more money, add a roll center kit and rear sway. Otherwise, go with GTworx springs on stock struts and rear sway and the roll center kit if you can afford it. At some point down the road you have the money for good coilovers you will have the rest already.
If you want better, ASTs, robispec modified kws or Ohlins.
If you want better, ASTs, robispec modified kws or Ohlins.
Jul 24, 2011, 05:27 AM
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https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/9481644-post103.html
you say, without the hassle of putting things together and then installing....to me its the same thing with KW...you have to remove the stock top hats and assemble them onto the KWs anyway...
Jul 24, 2011, 06:23 AM
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Also I don't know why people associate camber plates with a "must be a good coilover theory" its a same mistake as a more click you have a better the coilover is, never mind the fact not all camber plates created equal.... As the example here shows the FA has camber plates the same time many $ 10K+ rally ohlins - reiger etc suspensions doesn't... So as soon as you try to make your point legit by coilovers measured by camber plates, you just making more obvious your knowledge about coilovers so as others here.
if you cant buy an entry level coilovers, those are starts around $1800, then you better off without it. Get a good springs for your oem struts and you set. The EVo is not Mazda 3 or other compacts where almost any change on the suspension is an upgrade...
Rob
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Jul 24, 2011, 07:21 AM
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This is where I don't see the point. For $1500 you are about $300 away from KWs quoted from vendors on this site without the hassle of having to put the things together and THEN install them, without having to have access to the tools or expertise to put the things together, without having to do much of anything other than bolt the things on.
Additionally, they carry a warranty...for life.
For $1500 dollars you can by H &R coilovers that are made by Bilstein that have adjustable ride height (but no adjustment for valving..they can probably be revalved by Bilstein though).
Both seem a better solution to me than messing with all the work you are talking about here. And a better solution than crappy coilovers. For some (not evos) cars, you could easily have adjustable damping KYBs if you are OK with fixed ride height.
We disagree. I don't see the point in these anymore or for that matter, cheap coilovers in general. Some areas you can cut corners on and it will not matter. I just don't think this is one of them.
Additionally, they carry a warranty...for life.
For $1500 dollars you can by H &R coilovers that are made by Bilstein that have adjustable ride height (but no adjustment for valving..they can probably be revalved by Bilstein though).
Both seem a better solution to me than messing with all the work you are talking about here. And a better solution than crappy coilovers. For some (not evos) cars, you could easily have adjustable damping KYBs if you are OK with fixed ride height.
We disagree. I don't see the point in these anymore or for that matter, cheap coilovers in general. Some areas you can cut corners on and it will not matter. I just don't think this is one of them.
The $1,500 price range consists of $458 camber plates that I listed in the parts list. Subtract that cost because that is not included in a set of KW, PSS9, and H&R's. If you guys are going to keep comparing start adding up additional costs. To revalve a set of coil overs it is going to cost around $125 per corner. Your $1,500 set just turned into $2,000.Now add camber plates and it is almost $2,500. The key factor here is money! This argument is strictly budget based. If somebody came to you and said I have $1,500 what can I do? Not $3,000 or $2,000 or even $1,501. They didn't ask what is the best, but asked what is the best for their budget.
Honestly, the cheapest I would go is $1799 for stock KWs (just pm the venders here) If you have a litlle more money, add a roll center kit and rear sway. Otherwise, go with GTworx springs on stock struts and rear sway and the roll center kit if you can afford it. At some point down the road you have the money for good coilovers you will have the rest already.
If you want better, ASTs, robispec modified kws or Ohlins.
If you want better, ASTs, robispec modified kws or Ohlins.
Note: the camber plates revmoto speaks of are probably the best ones on the market IMO as it comes with upper spring perches with bearings in them. Coupled with bearings in the plate, this is useful to help keep the spring straight even if you're running high camber and will increase the life of the spring. Certainly you can run the $150 Noltec plates, which are also very good, but you don't have the high amount of available camber nor the bearing spring perch.
Jul 24, 2011, 05:18 PM
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thats the thing though....you mentioned earlier
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/9481644-post103.html
you say, without the hassle of putting things together and then installing....to me its the same thing with KW...you have to remove the stock top hats and assemble them onto the KWs anyway...
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/9481644-post103.html
you say, without the hassle of putting things together and then installing....to me its the same thing with KW...you have to remove the stock top hats and assemble them onto the KWs anyway...
Jul 24, 2011, 05:30 PM
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its still not a bolt on regardless...like the fortune autos or any budget coilover for that matter....thats why i asked you....since both spring/shock & KW v3 both need work no matter what
Jul 24, 2011, 05:36 PM
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But keep in mind, you may street your car with an occasional track or auto-x day here and there.... some people I know go all out track or all out auto-x and trailer their car to every event.... in that case, the "kit" revmoto and I have been preaching has the higher, most useful advantage because you customized said kit to your driving style, aka valving and spring rates.
lol, then why buy coilovers in the first place? You buy them for performance, unless you gotta bunch of hardparkers in here... It's nice to have the capability to dial in camber and caster when needed/wanted and is definitely worth the $150-500 upgrade to the camber plates. If you're worried about cabin noise, go buy a benz...
... high camber and will increase the life of the spring. Certainly you can run the $150 Noltec plates, which are also very good, but you don't have the high amount of available camber nor the bearing spring perch.
lol, then why buy coilovers in the first place? You buy them for performance, unless you gotta bunch of hardparkers in here... It's nice to have the capability to dial in camber and caster when needed/wanted and is definitely worth the $150-500 upgrade to the camber plates. If you're worried about cabin noise, go buy a benz...
... high camber and will increase the life of the spring. Certainly you can run the $150 Noltec plates, which are also very good, but you don't have the high amount of available camber nor the bearing spring perch.
For DD car, not hearing the springs everytime they compress is a goodthing as is having struts that perform well and still livable on the street.
If I were going to have a dedicated track car, I still wouldnt buy these, I would do what the serious guys do here and go for high end ASTs or JRZs and I would go with Vorslag camber plates. If you don't have a car with all but the drivers seat taken out, the carpets , ceiling and door liners pulled , the radio gone etc the. You aren't doing at the level you refer to or if you are you aren't doing it right..which is my point.
The right way is using best qualit parts available