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Why are the 2005s so much quicker and faster than the 2003s/2004s?

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Old Jun 21, 2005, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by invazn
all that pressure and no internal upgrades.
Cammed cars don't necessarily have internal upgrades, unless you're referring to the cams themselves. 4G63s have gone 11s without cams for 10 years or more...
Old Jun 21, 2005, 01:28 PM
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Proper tune and that engine ain't going nowhere. People already run 28psi on these motors w/ the stock turbo and alky, how would that be any more dangerous with/without cams??
Old Jun 21, 2005, 01:30 PM
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but heat so every say 75hp more added you need to cold it 100 degress.
Old Jun 21, 2005, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1023
but heat so every say 75hp more added you need to cold it 100 degress.
What the F are you talking about? You need to "cold" it? a;dsfkja;fdskja;ds??
Old Jun 21, 2005, 01:42 PM
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yes every like 75hp you add to a motor you need to cool it down some so if add like 75hp to somthing change sparck plugs to make it run cooler. that is what i was told.
Old Jun 21, 2005, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1023
yes every like 75hp you add to a motor you need to cool it down some so if add like 75hp to somthing change sparck plugs to make it run cooler. that is what i was told.
OH good Lord.

The general rule is for every 100hp over stock, you go one range "colder" on your spark plugs. This has nothing to do with "colding" by 100 degrees. You just go from range 7 (stock) to range 8 (colder by 1 range). I have a feeling your Evo won't last long...
Old Jun 21, 2005, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
What the F are you talking about? You need to "cold" it? a;dsfkja;fdskja;ds??
He's 19


I have rode in a 05 MR and I have to say it is a lot smoother car then my 03, and I have to say the Bilstiens add a lot to that. Also the 05 shifting is a lot smoother as well, though I haven't had my syncros checked or changed yet, but I have no problems with mine. My 03 and my buddys 05 MR don't have the exact mods, he has a cat-back while mine is stock except for the XEDE, and we both know I can hand his *** to him. Eliminate the 10.5 hotside and the 03/04 are the same power wise to the 05. Come on guys their the same engine. Now when tuning comes into play the 05's run just like the 03/04. Now the Evo IX is going to be a different beast. new compressor housing, plus they are utilizing the MIVEC which I think will make it a lot faster then both the 03/04 and 05. Also don't forget they will have the 10.5 hotside as well.

I'll be looking into trading in my VIII for a IX.
Old Jun 21, 2005, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by crusin_lancer
Come on guys their the same engine. Now when tuning comes into play the 05's run just like the 03/04.
This isn't true, though. Yes, it's the same engine, but the 05s have a larger hotside, improved wastegate flapper, a larger turbo outlet nozzle, and increased stock boost. It's unlikely that you had any 05s *** to itself with an 03 only having a Xede, especially if the 05 has a cat-back (easy 20whp with no tune). Just having a good tune on a stock Evo definitely provides good gain (see sig), but it would be tough to overcome a 40whp difference with an 03 just using a Xede...and that's just to be EVEN with the 05, much less killing it.

Anyway, when tuning comes into play, 05s don't run just like 03/04s, they run better, unless the 03/04 also has a 10.5 hotside.
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I want an 05...
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haha yes 19 and thats what i heard im just hear to learn some new stuff maybe you right maybe not im just here to learn some and test things out 19 and good job with money to spend so why not. help and not hate gosh.
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Originally Posted by mike1023
haha yes 19 and thats what i heard im just hear to learn some new stuff maybe you right maybe not im just here to learn some and test things out 19 and good job with money to spend so why not. help and not hate gosh.
Illiterate with a good job? I guess all my education is going to waste...
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It's amazing how many people with a Batchelor's Degree (or better) can't spell or string a sentence together. I guess the computer age is a double-edged sword
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If I wasn't dead set on trading in the 8 on the 9 I would go order one of those hotsides today!

I am not on top of the redesigned exit and wg flapper but I would imagine the hotside is the majority of the gain.
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Originally Posted by MTMS4
It's amazing how many people with a Batchelor's Degree (or better) can't spell or string a sentence together. I guess the computer age is a double-edged sword
It's Bachelor's. Was that intentional or not because I can't tell.
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Until a few weeks ago the only EVO I had driven was my 03. It's stock but has an MR suspension. While my car was in having the syncros replaced I tried an 05 VIII. I was surprised by the difference. It seemed to be alot more than just a few horsepower and a few ft/lbs of torque. There was better shifting, some improvements in noise levels, and, of course, a gear box without metal fragments spinning around in the fluid helped. But low end power in particular seemed better but the specs say it's not much different. After my gearbox was rebuilt the differences seemed smaller but still there. I guess Mitsu has done more in the way of refinement over the years than the specs alone can tell. And if the drivetrain and engine run smoother you are going to make more use of the available power. I'd say the 05 in stock form is a better EVO than the 03 in stock form.


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