335 vs. Evo IX - depends on what your priority is: performance or luxury/comfort.

performance it's hands down the Evo. 14 sec. faster on Nurburgring...the 335i *might* be able to walk the Evo IX stock for stock at high speeds though (i.e. highway), but that's about the only "advantage" (similarity) it has in the perforance aspect.

comfort/luxury the Evo doesn't hold half a freakin candle to the 335i. but then the 335i will run u almost 50k right now due to market demand.

IX gsr vs. MR....do a search. one major turn off for the MR was that the 6spd unit is weaker than the 5spd. 6spd is fine if u do *occasional* drag strips or on-ramp pulls, but at a road course the tranny could overheat and usually the 4th gear goes out first. MR's 3,4,5 gears are thinner than the 5spd's 3,4,5. also the 5spd's made by Getrag, 6spd Aisin (IIRC)

stock for stock depending on tracks the MR or GSR could have the advantage. high speed accleration the MR would have the edge (2 more gears left after 110mph)

good luck mate. 335 vs. IX isn't really a comparison IMHO...such different cars for such different markets..

 

I think the main thing for me is that since the MR is more rare it will have a lower depreciation rate then the GSR.

If I do buy I am planning to dump the car in about 2-3 yrs since I will be waiting for the new japanese super cars coming out in the next few yrs (supra, LF-A, IS500, GT-R, NSX) but I dont want to get first yr production on any of these, since 2-3 yrs.

If I do get the MR, I am only planning on lightly modding the car...Vishnu V400 stage 1+ or 2.

Will this still void the warrenty with super minor mods or does it really depend on which dealer u go to?

I hear good things about the Huntington Mitsu Dealer in socal area.

 

keep in mind i'm not trying to prove the IX to be the better car, just trying to lay out some facts about performance comparisons based on what i've been reading about the 335i.

the 335i's *only* similarity to the Evo's in terms of performance is straight line. those whp/wtq are high, but dont forget the weight difference (200-300lbs+). magazines are trappin 105-106 with it, which is quite close to the IX's (104-106)...but we'll have to see when real people start taking it to the track and how high it could trap. but i'd say the 335i won't be able to mad pull the IX...if it could the mag's should be trappin 108+ to do that IMHO.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30140 - comparison of 335i's overall performance to the e46m3 vs. 2 other cars on the nurburgring (for reference a IX w/6 spd (important due to long straight at the end) does it in 8:11 - yes different drivers/weather but 15 sec. is hard to argue - there's a video floating around google vid/youtube of the entire run)

handling the 335i is done. though braking the 335i's huge disks could make it very insane indeed (13.7f/13.2r)

most car's mods are expensive relative to the Evo, and i can guarentee you that the BMW is one of them. A flash is already available for the 335i, but i forget how much it costs (iirc somewhere around $1,000 to bump the hp to 375 (not sure if it's crank or wheel hp); a 400 hp flash is coming out soon though for more)

EDIT: here's the information for the flash for 335i

 

you guys are slightly crazy.. what kind of tires was the 335I running at the the ring.. the stock run flats? As someone who has spent alot of time at BMW autox I can tell you flat out the 3 series definately handle well.. especially on sticky cement surfaces they have a huge advantage over evo... plus this car is going to be ultra cheap to mod.. already making 350whp with just a flash and a makeshift ghetto catback?.. get ready for 375whp-400whp with basic boltons! I really cant see how stock turbo evos have any chance against these cars on the street.

The turbos are attached to the manifold, which will make replacing them slightly expensive.. but there are already turbo manifolds out there for the engine that would work with this application. The car weight 200lbs more then the evo... thats with those heavy *** leather 6 way seats, moonroof, sound deadening, and spare... It would be really easy to get weight off this car if your were looking to go crazy modding it.

Im feeling the ct9a's days are pretty much over.. sorry if people are late to the party, but you now have other cars doing it better. .. If you want track performance, lotus elises and exiges ( a heavily modded evo still has about no chance against an exige at autocross with a good driver) are selling for 35-40k with under 7K miles!..If your not into turning now you have the 335i option. So what exactly does the evo bring to the table besides being able to do both these things but not as good as either one?... I guess verstality is the last thing it has going.

Now its time for the evo X to step up.. which it WILL! Wait till that car ends up making 350whp with a flash..then mitsu will be back on top.

 

I have the MR and came across a 335i the other day he pulled on me from 80 to 145 mph. He had about 2 cars. It looks mean as hell as well and I am sure it is way more luxuries too. This means the new M3 will be the meanest thing around.

 

335i is pretty awesome but it will take some work to get it to handle and stop like an evo. it has a lot of body roll and the stock single caliper brakes are going to fade like kid n plays haircuts. it has plenty of HP potential as we're seeing. if i didn't have plans for something else already i'd be looking at the 335i in a couple of years when i'm done w/ my evo.

 

bro.. have you read the review on there brakes.. by all accounts the 335i brakes are bad ***! and they suffered 0 fade on runs at the ring ( now the oil temp problem is another story lol, that car needs a big oil cooler or something!) .. the brakes are huge.. they are flat out bigger then the evos brembos. it doesnt mean anything that they dont have some fancy paint on them because we all know bmw had a falling out with brembo years ago and refuse to use their products.

no there is the handling.. the thing I dont like about the car is that it will be all over the place at autox.. way to much power and you need some wide tires on that cars.. but the fenders dont really allow it. The rears are 255/30s.. Im wondering if 275s would fit... If you have ever been to a BMW autox you know that all BMWs can handle to some degree... I dont really feel this car will take to much effort.. just get some coilovers, wider wheels, and the basic boltons and yourself a beast! the stock evo also has insane body roll wants you start making alot of power on a stock suspension.


The evo is still the most fun car to drive on the street despite all that...

 

Shiv also said that their 3.35i would spin through first gear and part of second with those minimal mods. Fun for some, but I'd rather put the power on the ground and move. That's a lot of torque for two wheels.

But seriously, the evo and the 335 are different animals. That's a stretch to be confused between which car to get.

 

thanks guys for all your input....I already have a 335i on order and should be here by December!

 

Actually, you can order any kind of beemer in the states except for the X5 and Z4, pick it up in Germany, go around on a tour with your new beemer and they will ship it back to your home state free of charge. They will even fly you and a companion for free.

Don't you wish Mitsubishi would do the same for the Evo?

 

One of my best friends has done euro delivery on two BMWs (545i and an X3) and he's had a lot of fun with both. He's going to do euro delivery on a 335i next year, too. BMW doesn't pay for your flight, though. But you do save money on the car purchase itself. Volvo I believe pays for your airfare.

 

I have owned a Mitsu and I just like the extras that BMW offers. I would personally go with the 335i.

 

bdking57 Wooooo, slow down there buddy, let's wait a little bit longer before we start claiming the BMW 335i as the new Supra of Euros. We got what, one dyno test of a modded one and your already make claims of these cars pushing out 400whp on stock turbos, sounds like your jumping the gun a little in my opinion. Also you do realize that Vishnu charges around $1,000 for a flash on an EVO IX, a $1,000 flash for an EVO! How much you think it's gonna cost for a 335i? Also, let's not forget a the weight differences, if a 360whp stock turbo EVO can't hang with a 370whp BMW 335i, then something is wrong with the EVO.

Not to diss the 335i, gaining nearly 55-60whp with a Catback Exhaust and Tune is awesome, but are some of you guys forgeting that not so long ago, the same tuner in this thread gained around 60whp from an EVO IX with a Turboback w/ a High Flow Cat and Tune. That's not the first EVO to make 50whp+ from this tuner and limited mods. I mean the BMW is an awesome machine, but don't look so lightly at the EVO either. Consider who is tuning, Shiv is an awesome tuner, and he can tune both an EVO and BMW to make some awesome numbers.

So my point is, if you want to say the BMW has a far better interior and is a better day to day driver than by all means I agree with you on that, but if your gonna start saying crap like a bolt on EVO can never hang, or the BMW makes awesome power and EVO can't hang, then you better back that sh*t up with stats and data, and not just opinions and claims, that have no evidence or anytime actually researching sh*t to back it up.

To the author of this thread, it all depends on what you are looking for in a car. I'm sorry the BMW is not as pure or fun as a performance car as the EVO. But with that comes some drawbacks. But for the money, you'll find a hard time finding another car as entertaining performance wise as an EVO, and another car that can match the EVOs potential mod for mod and money for money under $40,000. The BMW 335i is also a great car, and it's going to be an absolute darling in the tuner world, but it is heavier and I've modded German cars before, more freakin' expensive. Also a lot of things will be experimental with this car. Still it's a great car, and day to day driving will be a far more satisfying experience than not only the EVO, but even a M3 if you believe what the magazines write. But just like the EVO it has drawbacks.

 

Another thing is kind of bugging me about what you said, you say ghetto *** exhaust on the BMW, what? Correct me if I am wrong, but last time I checked Vishnu built exhausts for EVOs and other cars, so I think they know what they are doing when they build an exhaust and wouldn't call it ghetto. Also, building an exhaust isn't rocket science, if you have the knowledge, materials, and tools it can be done properly and effectively, and I can think many other products that people put on cars that are much more complicated to build and work properly than an exhaust.

 

Wow what is this-


EVO IX Mods-
Drop In Filter
Catback Exhaust
Manual Boost Controller
Ecuteck Tune
346WHP/341WTQ

My point don't sleep on the EVO when it comes to mods.