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Old May 30, 2007 | 09:25 AM
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If you want noise from a BOV, don't change your stock diverter valve out, just get an intake. You'll here it, trust me.
Old May 30, 2007 | 09:29 AM
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make sure to dump the clutch at 6k to, for the best launch!
Old May 30, 2007 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by cs82685
If you want noise from a BOV, don't change your stock diverter valve out, just get an intake. You'll here it, trust me.
He speaks the truth, although I would wait to get an intake when you have more mods and cash for a tune.
Old May 30, 2007 | 09:34 AM
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Well it could "surge" the compressor fins but the air will travel the path of least resistance and if that is the path you are right, but as I said it would be my guess that it will blow a coupler before traveling back through a spinning air pump.

It will surge.....not could, or might.......it will.

If you dont believe anyone try it (it wont hurt anything - short term), and I guarantee you wont blow a coupler off but you will hear the compressor surge, mine does it stock on low boost
Old May 30, 2007 | 09:54 AM
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Warrtalon again is incorrect. Your car WILL run without a wastegate and bov. It's just you'll have uncontrollable boost spikes and your turbo will just die from the surge.
What is this "again" stuff? I wasn't saying the car will not crank up and run without these mods. I'm saying the car would not work properly. This is quite obvious - not sure why you're trying to refute me on something so simple.

Plus, you try to say I'm wrong then go on to say that the car will have uncontrollable boost spikes and the turbo will die from the surge! What the hell do you call that? I call that "not running." Good Lord...some people...
Old May 30, 2007 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
What is this "again" stuff? I wasn't saying the car will not crank up and run without these mods. I'm saying the car would not work properly. This is quite obvious - not sure why you're trying to refute me on something so simple.

Plus, you try to say I'm wrong then go on to say that the car will have uncontrollable boost spikes and the turbo will die from the surge! What the hell do you call that? I call that "not running." Good Lord...some people...
the diverter valve was developted for supercharged cars at first. these were designed to release pressure into the intake system to prevent compressor surge and engine wear. so u can run without, but not well.
Old May 30, 2007 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TURBevO8
Well it could "surge" the compressor fins but the air will travel the path of least resistance and if that is the path you are right, but as I said it would be my guess that it will blow a coupler before traveling back through a spinning air pump.

All turbo cars have a wastegate.
So there are no turbo cars without a BOV or DV?

Ever look under the hood of a Grand National? Thunderbird turbo coupe?

My guess is not since they do not have any BOV. WHen I am in boost and let off guess what happens? Compressor surge! And it does not leak out of the couplings either.
Old May 30, 2007 | 10:50 AM
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Poor guy... He got scared off...
Old May 30, 2007 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TURBevO8
Well it could "surge" the compressor fins but the air will travel the path of least resistance and if that is the path you are right, but as I said it would be my guess that it will blow a coupler before traveling back through a spinning air pump.

All turbo cars have a wastegate. That would be the externally gated thing you are talking about. Our cars have internal gates, and most after market kits have external gates. They are still wastegates though and still work the same. We have a spring in an actuator whereas external gates have the spring inside the housing but both work the same, just one is internal and one external. So I am right.
God. Forum people take comments so literally. I was initially joking when I said cars can run without a WG. Which they can, but it'll just be really bad.
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woops..double post.
Old May 30, 2007 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
What is this "again" stuff? I wasn't saying the car will not crank up and run without these mods. I'm saying the car would not work properly. This is quite obvious - not sure why you're trying to refute me on something so simple.

Plus, you try to say I'm wrong then go on to say that the car will have uncontrollable boost spikes and the turbo will die from the surge! What the hell do you call that? I call that "not running." Good Lord...some people...
GOOD LORD SOME PEOPLE. OMG it was a joke! ARGHHGG im gonna pull out my hair at work. Maybe I need to use more emoticons.
Old May 30, 2007 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TURBevO8
^^How can you build boost without a wastegate to apply the necessary back pressure/resistance you need to make boost??? Tell ya what. Go out and disconnect your WGA and see if you make any boost let alone have boost spiking.

You technically dont need a BOV though. The air will have to go somewhere though and my guess is it will blow something and cause a leak.
Without a wastegate you will have nothing but boost, there would be no way for the exhaust gas the bypass the turbine.

Now if you leave the wastegate in place and remove the actuator that would be another story cause some portion of the exhaust gas would always bypass the turbine (most likely most of it)

To the op, the folks giving you advice may have good intentions, but the obviously have poor information. you don't need to replace the wg actuator or the bov. Your money would be better spent on an exhaust, drop in filter, and a retune. A manual boost controller and a retune. Best bet is full exhaust, mbc, retune. If money is tight, mbc, testpipe, catback, retune. If money is even tighter, mbc, catback, retune............

If you just want the vent to atmosphere blow off valve sound... well then you are just a silly little ricer VTA is not the best bet on these cars, you can do it right but that would require converting to a blow through maf setup or speed density.
Old May 30, 2007 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dennis F
So there are no turbo cars without a BOV or DV?

Ever look under the hood of a Grand National? Thunderbird turbo coupe?

My guess is not since they do not have any BOV. WHen I am in boost and let off guess what happens? Compressor surge! And it does not leak out of the couplings either.
Exactly

A guy I knew had a low cost turbo kit he bought for his civic it had a t-20 turbo and it didnt have a bov, he just let it surge...and this was an off the shelf kit. Never blew a coupling

It wont kill a turbo right away anyway but long term it wont last as long as one that doesnt have constant surging....
Old May 30, 2007 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by travman
It will surge.....not could, or might.......it will.

If you dont believe anyone try it (it wont hurt anything - short term), and I guarantee you wont blow a coupler off but you will hear the compressor surge, mine does it stock on low boost
If that is the path of least resistance than you are right. I said my guess is you would blow a coupler before surging all that compressed air back through the turbo but I didnt say it was a fact.
Old May 30, 2007 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dennis F
So there are no turbo cars without a BOV or DV?

Ever look under the hood of a Grand National? Thunderbird turbo coupe?

My guess is not since they do not have any BOV. WHen I am in boost and let off guess what happens? Compressor surge! And it does not leak out of the couplings either.
When did I ever say anything about any turbo cars and bovs/dvs??? The post you quoted me saying was related to wastegates which has nothing to do with bovs/dvs. To answer your question I am familiar with Grand Nationals/GNXs a bit and I know there are many race cars, Supras for example, that dont run BOVs and let the turbo surge. Warrtalon was the one on page one that said you need a bov for the car to run, quote him.



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