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get both buy an evo and a miata. lol what i do

brooklynbo122

well no it's awd vs. rwd..specifically in the original post it says that. Also I said what I was contemplating and we so the way I see it every post has hit every point of this thread. For some reason you mentioned F1 and what not which wasn't in consideration here. The only thing that is in topic here is the comment you made about 600hp which is true and makes my point for me which is that without superior traction like awd or some other means
fwd and rwd don't make practical high hp cars like I said.

Running slicks in normal street use isn't practical and it's illegal I'm sure. If not it should be. Unless every part of the road is prepped somehow you won't get traction. So having an Evo with 500+hp or a 350 with slicks on the street..the Evo would more or less be ftw with practicality being the issue here. Which may make it seem like it is one vs the other. Which it is not.

brooklynbo122

I'm thinking the same

brooklynbo122

That would be great if I could be satisfied with 300hp, but I can't have such a sick looking car with out the engine to match. Pretty soon I would want to mod and would want something
where my efforts went as long a ways as possible. V

DeeezNuuuts83

It's not always that simple though. If you take an AWD car like the Evo or STI with moderate hp and torque (~300 for both) then mod it to levels around double that, then yes, you will have some issues, unless you modify the car further to keep up with the engine output. Cars with much more power than that off the showroom floor generally cope with it just fine, assuming it was tuned for performance (i.e., GT-R and 911 Turbo).

In both of those cars (GT-R and 911 Turbo), we are looking at relatively high hp applications, but with boosted motors, moderate redlines and generally broad torque curves impressive not just for engines of their displacement but even in the supercar arena. In those situations, AWD is very helpful and will keep the car planted, as pure RWD can light up the rear tires easily with that kind of torque. (While the RWD 911 GT2 is typically quicker around a track than the 911 Turbo, it has A LOT of suspension tuning and adjustment capability, but it can still swing the tail end out VERY easily.)

When you move onto other high hp, high-revving applications that utilize RWD, you're dealing with different beasts that would not always be ideal for AWD. For example, BMW M cars, Ferraris and other cars like that have high redlines with torque peaking no lower than halfway to redline, though usually higher (like F1 cars), they won't necessarily have the torque to suddenly overwhelm the chassis and/or rear tires, as you have more precise control over it with throttle input. If you look at cars like the 65 series (twin-turbo V-12s with 738 lb.-ft) of various Benzes, they have truckloads of torque anywhere north of idle rpms, so sharp cornering on a track isn't really its forte, which is partially why Mercedes enthusiasts will go for the 63 series (NA V-8 with anywhere between 443 lb.-ft and 479 lb.-ft, depending on the application) if they want a Benz with more athletic reflexes. While something like the Bugatti Veyron doesn't exactly juke left and right, it still handles surprisingly well for a two-ton AWD car. Could it have done so well with just RWD? Probably not.

That's a BIG statement. I love my Evo and know it's fun as hell, but in regular conditions, there are a lot of RWD cars that are more fun.

4Trouble

Yeah I understand what you guys are talking about, but I was based only on the title of the thread 'AWD/RWD pros and cons' on theories, and OP's question 'which is faster around a track?'

I just wanted to remind people that it is not AWD >>> RWD on all occasions interms of performance.

600+hp (high torque or not), sub 2000lbs, tarmac, point A to B, AWD are still struggling to beat RWD.

600hp cars that rev to 11krpm have about 300lbs ft of torque.

DeeezNuuuts83

How many 600 hp cars are also sub-2000 lbs? And if they exist, how many are available with AWD?

4Trouble

As I mentioned on my previous post, Formula 1 cars, LMP1 and LMP2 cars.

For limited production cars, there are none that hits sub-2000lbs but are around 2500lbs, such as FXX variations, newer Zonda variations.

Also there are dozens and dozens of kit cars with price starting around 100k for such kind of power to weight ratio, some are closer to 1500lbs with terrible aerodynamics, some are closer to 2500lbs and have brilliant aerodynamics.

Only a few have attempted AWD in such class of races.

I am just pointing out the title of this thread is too vague or can be misleading.

brooklynbo122

Well the title is how I see fit. I didn't create the thread trying to make a profit. I'm sorry if you felt like you are being sold a bad product, but it was just for simple input..? Lol. You're taking it to a whole new level by mentioning cars that most people haven't driven enough to give valuble insight about. So just relax and enjoy a

DeeezNuuuts83

Obviously AWD won't be used in specialty vehicles intended for race use only. Those F1 cars and privately-owned FXX aren't street legal anyway, as that's a whole different discussion altogether.

brooklynbo122

Exactly what i'm saying. If those cars were street legal and and not made for race only purposes then they would come into play. Otherwise I find myselfat a stand still with that comment.