Do you consider the SST to be an automatic or a manual?
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You guys need to differentiate between automatics and dual-clutch transmissions. You can still pick your exact gears and rpms with a dual-clutch transmission. The only fault I see with the DCT (SST) right now is it's difficult to launch.
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The issues I have with the Evo SST are that it cannot reliably handle the amount of torque that the manual transmission can, it is expensive to upgrade, it overheats on track and forces you to slow down, its launching abilities are poor, and the level of driver involvement and tactile feel is substantially reduced. All that seems like a large bag of compromises to me, especially when you can pay less and get a proper manual. Call me silly, but I also prefer a driver operated clutch pedal.
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I've heard this all before, and I understand the SST/DGT/SMG style transmissions are infinitely better than old school automatics with torque convertors. I also understand that the SST can shift much faster than I can.
The issues I have with the Evo SST are that it cannot reliably handle the amount of torque that the manual transmission can, it is expensive to upgrade, it overheats on track and forces you to slow down, its launching abilities are poor, and the level of driver involvement and tactile feel is substantially reduced. All that seems like a large bag of compromises to me, especially when you can pay less and get a proper manual. Call me silly, but I also prefer a driver operated clutch pedal.
The issues I have with the Evo SST are that it cannot reliably handle the amount of torque that the manual transmission can, it is expensive to upgrade, it overheats on track and forces you to slow down, its launching abilities are poor, and the level of driver involvement and tactile feel is substantially reduced. All that seems like a large bag of compromises to me, especially when you can pay less and get a proper manual. Call me silly, but I also prefer a driver operated clutch pedal.
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LOL, while I like your analogy I don't think it applies
I just feel that putting the SST in a class of an automatic transmission isn't appropriate. I feel (imo) there are three main classes of transmissions (since hardly anyone runs sequential). Normal automatic, normal manual, and electronic manual. That's how I look at it, what it has to do with the conversation I have no idea How i the hell did I get subscribed to this thread in the first place Damn mods are mergaholics
Either way, from the sounds of it, it doesn't sound like the STy will have a dual clutch tranny for '11.
I just feel that putting the SST in a class of an automatic transmission isn't appropriate. I feel (imo) there are three main classes of transmissions (since hardly anyone runs sequential). Normal automatic, normal manual, and electronic manual. That's how I look at it, what it has to do with the conversation I have no idea How i the hell did I get subscribed to this thread in the first place Damn mods are mergaholics
Either way, from the sounds of it, it doesn't sound like the STy will have a dual clutch tranny for '11.
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LOL, while I like your analogy I don't think it applies
I just feel that putting the SST in a class of an automatic transmission isn't appropriate. I feel (imo) there are three main classes of transmissions (since hardly anyone runs sequential). Normal automatic, normal manual, and electronic manual. That's how I look at it, what it has to do with the conversation I have no idea How i the hell did I get subscribed to this thread in the first place Damn mods are mergaholics
Either way, from the sounds of it, it doesn't sound like the STy will have a dual clutch tranny for '11.
I just feel that putting the SST in a class of an automatic transmission isn't appropriate. I feel (imo) there are three main classes of transmissions (since hardly anyone runs sequential). Normal automatic, normal manual, and electronic manual. That's how I look at it, what it has to do with the conversation I have no idea How i the hell did I get subscribed to this thread in the first place Damn mods are mergaholics
Either way, from the sounds of it, it doesn't sound like the STy will have a dual clutch tranny for '11.
The reason people with dual clutches are denying the term "automatic" is because of the negative connotation. If people were calling it a torque converter, I'd see the problem - but no one is..
basically, he is saying it is an AUTOMATED manual transmission... lol does that make everyone happy now?
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I think he's referring to "automatic" in that the driver does not manually move the shifter, clutch, and physically change the gear himself.
The reason people with dual clutches are denying the term "automatic" is because of the negative connotation. If people were calling it a torque converter, I'd see the problem - but no one is..
basically, he is saying it is an AUTOMATED manual transmission... lol does that make everyone happy now?
The reason people with dual clutches are denying the term "automatic" is because of the negative connotation. If people were calling it a torque converter, I'd see the problem - but no one is..
basically, he is saying it is an AUTOMATED manual transmission... lol does that make everyone happy now?
I don't own either but I have to disagree with you there.. the M3s motor is fantastic - I think it is one of the best n/a motors on the market. I think what you're arguing is between forced induction and natural aspiration.. honestly I'd take natural aspiration every day; I don't care if the turbo 6 m3 is quicker, faster, torquier, whatever.. Natural aspiration provides a connection that turbocharged cars have yet to match. If you want the fastest thing possible just get a gtr or whatever..
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I think he's referring to "automatic" in that the driver does not manually move the shifter, clutch, and physically change the gear himself.
The reason people with dual clutches are denying the term "automatic" is because of the negative connotation. If people were calling it a torque converter, I'd see the problem - but no one is..
basically, he is saying it is an AUTOMATED manual transmission... lol does that make everyone happy now?
The reason people with dual clutches are denying the term "automatic" is because of the negative connotation. If people were calling it a torque converter, I'd see the problem - but no one is..
basically, he is saying it is an AUTOMATED manual transmission... lol does that make everyone happy now?
But yes... technically the SST is automated and can make its own gear changes.
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Yes
Man, don't agree with you on the GTR. I almost bought a GT-R last month. I was very close to trading in the Evo X and "upgrading". I spent a good amount of time on the forums, reading about them, finding out everything I could. The GT-R has too many issues imo. Nissan seems to be finicky with warranty work as well. And since you have to be an approved dealer with an approved tech area (specifically updated for the GT-R) you can not work on them. So the closest shop is an hour away from here and I'd be at their mercy for any warranty work. Which seems will come up. Not to mention there isn't a lot you can do to a GT-R. GT-R isn't as great as everyone has been making it out to be. I'll stick with my X MR until something better comes along. Sorry for the OTP.
Man, don't agree with you on the GTR. I almost bought a GT-R last month. I was very close to trading in the Evo X and "upgrading". I spent a good amount of time on the forums, reading about them, finding out everything I could. The GT-R has too many issues imo. Nissan seems to be finicky with warranty work as well. And since you have to be an approved dealer with an approved tech area (specifically updated for the GT-R) you can not work on them. So the closest shop is an hour away from here and I'd be at their mercy for any warranty work. Which seems will come up. Not to mention there isn't a lot you can do to a GT-R. GT-R isn't as great as everyone has been making it out to be. I'll stick with my X MR until something better comes along. Sorry for the OTP.
i wouldn't get it either