chuntington101

no offence mate but have you actually looked at another car in the last few years????

WARNING!!! ok im going to mention the "S" word but its only as an example!

Subarus (he ducks for cover after putting his flame suit on!) are running around 850bhp on 2.2ltrs over here. and their blocks are not the strongest in the world, but they are ally! now if THEY can do it then why can Mitsubishi????

and whats all this bull about soft main caps??? you run forged or even billiet maincaps with cross bolts you have a VERY strong bottom end! compear the caps on the IRON BLOCKED SBC to the ally block LS engines to see the diffrence.

as for the ally ford units, have you ever heard of the Koenigsegg CCX???? its sold around the world (ie is emmisions complient) and makes 806bhp on a ford racing ALLY block! also the new green version (runs on E85) is reputed to make over 1000bhp.

also while on the toppick of V8s and power limits, have a look at the warhawk block the LS guys are about to get. world products are making this block to try and enable people to have a MASSIVELY strong block (2000bhp cappable is the word on the net! lol) whilst not going for the weight of the iron LS blocks or the new LSX. funny thats thats ally in't it?????

also take a look at the ally block the SBC guys get. Nelson Racing can sell you a 1600bhp ally block with 16 injectors if you want??? oh and yes thats an ally block!

you mentiond full on race engines, have you heard aobut the billiet block you can buy??? its what all the BIG guys are running! and you guest it they are ally.

sorry to keep going on put it needs to be said! give it a couple of years and, unless Mitsubishi make a B*LLS UP, you will be running around in a X with ALOT of power!

agian im not having a go at you inperticular sonicnofadz and im deeply sorry if it looks like i am. im just trying to contest some of your points. but im an ideot so feel free to tell me i am! lol

thanks again Chris.

PS. please keep this going. its a really intresting thread and a really good debate.

92gsxbaltimore

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I think quite the contrary... Why wouldn't Mitsubishi want to have sales and reputation like Honda or Toyota? Remember that Toyota just passed GM as the highest volume auto manufacturer world-wide.

turb0z-MR

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omg has this thread become useless.

Oh well it was good while it lasted.

blitzkrieg79

While financially it would've been nice for Mitsu to be like Honda/Toyota, I don't think Mitsubishi Motors in it's current state can compete with Honda or Toyota. They need to take a Mazda approach and design unique cars with some spirit (sporty). Toyota and Honda are just too big and if Mitsubishi would offer bland designs just like they do, they would go bankrupt in one generation, just look at the 2002-2006 car models for Mitsubishi, they Americanized their entire lineup, made them bland, their sales dropped drastically, compare sales from 2001 to 2006 and you'll see a big difference. Mitsubishi is too small of a player to compete with the big boys, thats why instead of trying to compete with Honda/Toyota, they need to do their own unique thing ( AWD + Turbo cars ), unless they'll find a way to undercut competitors prices just like Hyundai does and then some more. But then again, I may be biased, but as I've always thought of Hyundai cars as being rather cheap/economy cars, I always thought of Mitsubishi as an affordable motorsports car brand due to their motorsports history in WRC/Dakar.

FLK

I can't wait until all these FOOLS try to take their foot out of their mouths when the X is proven, once again, to be superior to it's previous generation.

Here's the bottom line, and something to think about.
The 4G63 in the Evo9 has reached a tuning limit in a production-ready vehicle.
The 4B11T in the Evo 10 will be it's first year baseline performance when released.

Think of how far the 4G63 has evolved. Now think about the potential for the 4B11 for the next decade.

Thank goodness we have companies from overseas who are so secure with themselves as a people to actually embrace new technology and change compared to american automakers who too often cling to retro ****.

sonicnofadz

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Its funny how everyone is quoting these pathetically low power numbers for the aluminum engines. Newsflash: cast iron 4G63 engines have been putting down over 1500 hp. Yeah thats the difference between cast iron and aluminum. Cast iron is stronger, more reliable, distorts less, and will ALWAYS support more power than Aluminum blocks. Don't mind Vigo, he is just an irrational Evo X fanboy.

blitzkrieg79

Ummmm, no offense but your opinion is not an automatic fact. 4G63 putting down 1500HP? Maybe, but I am more then sure that the only thing this 1500HP engine has with a stock 4G63 is the oil cap as everything else was modified/reworked. Cast iron is an old technology, it's heavy, not efficient, and doesn't absorb heat as well as aluminum. 4G63 advantage from the get go was that it was smartly engineered, you can't tell me that every cast-iron engine is great, there is a lot of weak units out there, it's all about great engineering. Aluminum engines can be as strong as cast iron when properly shaped, it will not only weight less, absorb heat better, but it will be actually more environment friendly as the lighter construction will require less fuel to get it going. Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW (just to name a few) has been using alumium engines for a while (they went away from cast iron), are you trying to tell me that you know something more then they do?

o2thag

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Doesn't this make you an irrational cast iron 4G63 fanboy?

BBYBruno

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Titanium Block

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BBYBruno

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I know, I was just joking. But how cool would that be

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It would be unstopable that is what they make jet airplane motor parts out of. On the othere hand I am a r+d Machinist and it would be a bytch to machine! I knew you were jokin was just saying u better be A ECO to afford that puppy

SiCKlEyWiKeD

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I'm waiting for the all natural block made of mud and powered by pixie dust.

BBYBruno

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Wow, I didn't know that. Do you think a car manufacturer will ever use Titanium?

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Not sure I havent seen any Indy car/Formul 1 or othere pro racing sponsers use it. I dont know why maybe it is the price? TIT is very pricy and very hard to machine. Jets dont have so-called blocks so it is hard to say.