What's the cheapest method for datalog (afr, knock,...) ?
Dec 19, 2006, 10:49 PM
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What's the cheapest method for datalog (afr, knock,...) ?
I've done a whole bunch of reading and searching here, but I wonder which is the cheapest way to log your AFR, KNOCK, timing and so on whitout stepping up to a piggy back. I know PLX R-500 will do the job, but its like $600 there. Is there any other device that you guys recommand that is cheap (under$300) ?
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Dec 19, 2006, 10:56 PM
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oh so that's what i've been missing. Im new to tuning, I didn't know that you can monitor knock with the tactrix. The cable I bought is still on its way to here, so once I get the cable, all i need is a wideband and the software. cool..thanks
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innovate just came out with a kit for the evo. here is some of the info on it.
LC-1 / OpenPort Bundle
With the OpenPort bundle you can:
Datalog from any ISO 9141 (Chrysler, European, and Asian) vehicles.
Reflash most popular late model Subaru and Mitsubishi cars (2001+), including WRX and Evo.
The key is that your wideband air/fuel data is completely integrated with your factory ECU data. This allows you to view fully-synchronous logs, and import all EcuFlash-defined 3D table data and formats directly from EcuFlash generated ROM files into LogWorks charting for easy computation and comparison. At $299, this is the most cost-effective Subaru and Evo tuning tool on the market. And if you purchase from the Innovate store, you get free shipping (Fed Ex Ground, USDM).
The OpenPort bundle includes:
1 OpenPort Universal interface cable from Tactrix
1 LC-1 Lambda Cable wideband air/fuel ratio sensor and controller
A disc with current copies of LogWorks, the EcuFlash plug in, and detailed instructions
Key Features
EcuFlash software makes every parameter of readable ROMS easy to tune.
LogWorks logs from LC-1 (or LM-1) AND the Open Port cable simultaneously (with synchronous data).
Import tabel formats from ROM files- no more laborious table building
Easy to upgrade.
The supported protocols are SSM (Subaru), MUT (Mitsubishi), and ODB-II (ISO 9141 and ISO-14230). This allows you to vastly improve the usability of your data acquisition while editing and flashing a ROM for your ECU. The basic steps are:
Install the wideband and all of the software.
Read the stock ROM off your car and save to a safe place (change properties to “read only”).
Select channels and log AFR data with ECU channels
Import ROM fuel tables, etc. and compare target AFRs with actual AFRs.
Make changes to the ROM
Flash the new ROM back to ECU with EcuFlash
Log to confirm changes and repeat process to improve tune.
With additional sensors, like the dual-axis accelerometers in the LMA-3, you can compare acceleration rates for similar WOT runs, and see if a given tune improved or diminished performance.
LC-1 / OpenPort Bundle
With the OpenPort bundle you can:
Datalog from any ISO 9141 (Chrysler, European, and Asian) vehicles.
Reflash most popular late model Subaru and Mitsubishi cars (2001+), including WRX and Evo.
The key is that your wideband air/fuel data is completely integrated with your factory ECU data. This allows you to view fully-synchronous logs, and import all EcuFlash-defined 3D table data and formats directly from EcuFlash generated ROM files into LogWorks charting for easy computation and comparison. At $299, this is the most cost-effective Subaru and Evo tuning tool on the market. And if you purchase from the Innovate store, you get free shipping (Fed Ex Ground, USDM).
The OpenPort bundle includes:
1 OpenPort Universal interface cable from Tactrix
1 LC-1 Lambda Cable wideband air/fuel ratio sensor and controller
A disc with current copies of LogWorks, the EcuFlash plug in, and detailed instructions
Key Features
EcuFlash software makes every parameter of readable ROMS easy to tune.
LogWorks logs from LC-1 (or LM-1) AND the Open Port cable simultaneously (with synchronous data).
Import tabel formats from ROM files- no more laborious table building
Easy to upgrade.
The supported protocols are SSM (Subaru), MUT (Mitsubishi), and ODB-II (ISO 9141 and ISO-14230). This allows you to vastly improve the usability of your data acquisition while editing and flashing a ROM for your ECU. The basic steps are:
Install the wideband and all of the software.
Read the stock ROM off your car and save to a safe place (change properties to “read only”).
Select channels and log AFR data with ECU channels
Import ROM fuel tables, etc. and compare target AFRs with actual AFRs.
Make changes to the ROM
Flash the new ROM back to ECU with EcuFlash
Log to confirm changes and repeat process to improve tune.
With additional sensors, like the dual-axis accelerometers in the LMA-3, you can compare acceleration rates for similar WOT runs, and see if a given tune improved or diminished performance.
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innovate just came out with a kit for the evo. here is some of the info on it.
LC-1 / OpenPort Bundle
With the OpenPort bundle you can:
Datalog from any ISO 9141 (Chrysler, European, and Asian) vehicles.
Reflash most popular late model Subaru and Mitsubishi cars (2001+), including WRX and Evo.
The key is that your wideband air/fuel data is completely integrated with your factory ECU data. This allows you to view fully-synchronous logs, and import all EcuFlash-defined 3D table data and formats directly from EcuFlash generated ROM files into LogWorks charting for easy computation and comparison. At $299, this is the most cost-effective Subaru and Evo tuning tool on the market. And if you purchase from the Innovate store, you get free shipping (Fed Ex Ground, USDM).
The OpenPort bundle includes:
1 OpenPort Universal interface cable from Tactrix
1 LC-1 Lambda Cable wideband air/fuel ratio sensor and controller
A disc with current copies of LogWorks, the EcuFlash plug in, and detailed instructions
Key Features
EcuFlash software makes every parameter of readable ROMS easy to tune.
LogWorks logs from LC-1 (or LM-1) AND the Open Port cable simultaneously (with synchronous data).
Import tabel formats from ROM files- no more laborious table building
Easy to upgrade.
The supported protocols are SSM (Subaru), MUT (Mitsubishi), and ODB-II (ISO 9141 and ISO-14230). This allows you to vastly improve the usability of your data acquisition while editing and flashing a ROM for your ECU. The basic steps are:
Install the wideband and all of the software.
Read the stock ROM off your car and save to a safe place (change properties to “read only”).
Select channels and log AFR data with ECU channels
Import ROM fuel tables, etc. and compare target AFRs with actual AFRs.
Make changes to the ROM
Flash the new ROM back to ECU with EcuFlash
Log to confirm changes and repeat process to improve tune.
With additional sensors, like the dual-axis accelerometers in the LMA-3, you can compare acceleration rates for similar WOT runs, and see if a given tune improved or diminished performance.
LC-1 / OpenPort Bundle
With the OpenPort bundle you can:
Datalog from any ISO 9141 (Chrysler, European, and Asian) vehicles.
Reflash most popular late model Subaru and Mitsubishi cars (2001+), including WRX and Evo.
The key is that your wideband air/fuel data is completely integrated with your factory ECU data. This allows you to view fully-synchronous logs, and import all EcuFlash-defined 3D table data and formats directly from EcuFlash generated ROM files into LogWorks charting for easy computation and comparison. At $299, this is the most cost-effective Subaru and Evo tuning tool on the market. And if you purchase from the Innovate store, you get free shipping (Fed Ex Ground, USDM).
The OpenPort bundle includes:
1 OpenPort Universal interface cable from Tactrix
1 LC-1 Lambda Cable wideband air/fuel ratio sensor and controller
A disc with current copies of LogWorks, the EcuFlash plug in, and detailed instructions
Key Features
EcuFlash software makes every parameter of readable ROMS easy to tune.
LogWorks logs from LC-1 (or LM-1) AND the Open Port cable simultaneously (with synchronous data).
Import tabel formats from ROM files- no more laborious table building
Easy to upgrade.
The supported protocols are SSM (Subaru), MUT (Mitsubishi), and ODB-II (ISO 9141 and ISO-14230). This allows you to vastly improve the usability of your data acquisition while editing and flashing a ROM for your ECU. The basic steps are:
Install the wideband and all of the software.
Read the stock ROM off your car and save to a safe place (change properties to “read only”).
Select channels and log AFR data with ECU channels
Import ROM fuel tables, etc. and compare target AFRs with actual AFRs.
Make changes to the ROM
Flash the new ROM back to ECU with EcuFlash
Log to confirm changes and repeat process to improve tune.
With additional sensors, like the dual-axis accelerometers in the LMA-3, you can compare acceleration rates for similar WOT runs, and see if a given tune improved or diminished performance.
cool..i already bought the cable, but i'll look into the LC-1 product
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Yeah, what everyone has said so far is exactly why i would have suggested. Though i figured i would help you on it a bit.
With your Tantrix cable you will need to d/l one of the logging programs off the internet (nothing comes with the cable), search around for the favorite, ECUFlash, or the only free logging program offered at this point MitsuLogger, from malibujack's (search for his name) website (something like aktivematrix.com or something). Any of the logging programs will report back knock counts and will show you all the info you will ever need for investigating knock/detonation.
Now i am doing the exact same thing as you, and i am also new to this whole thing; so i am just getting the AEM UEGO gauge to moniter my a/f ratio, and make sure they stay within the desired zone; and if you really need to datalog your wideband, you can fab a serial port like many have done, and have the UEGO log into EcuFlash.
Either way you should come out in the end paying less than $300 for the whole thing. I just think the AEM UEGO is a much more user friendly wideband for people like me who are not so technical.
With your Tantrix cable you will need to d/l one of the logging programs off the internet (nothing comes with the cable), search around for the favorite, ECUFlash, or the only free logging program offered at this point MitsuLogger, from malibujack's (search for his name) website (something like aktivematrix.com or something). Any of the logging programs will report back knock counts and will show you all the info you will ever need for investigating knock/detonation.
Now i am doing the exact same thing as you, and i am also new to this whole thing; so i am just getting the AEM UEGO gauge to moniter my a/f ratio, and make sure they stay within the desired zone; and if you really need to datalog your wideband, you can fab a serial port like many have done, and have the UEGO log into EcuFlash.
Either way you should come out in the end paying less than $300 for the whole thing. I just think the AEM UEGO is a much more user friendly wideband for people like me who are not so technical.
