Gus' EvoIX MR Tuning Story
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Assuming the graph you had attached in your picture is your EvoIXMR SE, I can't believe what your Air/Fuel ratio (AFR) graph actually reads!
It drops to 13.0:1 at around 3000rpm and continues to get richer and richer to 10.0:1 or below at redline! The ideal AFR as I've been told is to hold around 13.0-13.2:1 steadily. 10.0:1 is far from it! No wonder the black suts are evident on factory tuned Evo's.
Soon as I make more progress I will be getting a WidebandO2 and an accurate Boost gauge to datalog my MR and my friend's Evo's.
`Gus
p.s. thanks for sharing the insight.
It drops to 13.0:1 at around 3000rpm and continues to get richer and richer to 10.0:1 or below at redline! The ideal AFR as I've been told is to hold around 13.0-13.2:1 steadily. 10.0:1 is far from it! No wonder the black suts are evident on factory tuned Evo's.
Soon as I make more progress I will be getting a WidebandO2 and an accurate Boost gauge to datalog my MR and my friend's Evo's.
`Gus
p.s. thanks for sharing the insight.
Do not try to lean the car to 13:1!!!!!!
An NA motor will make best power between 13:1 and 12:1 IF the motor is not detonation limited.
That is way too lean for a boosted motor without race gas. Be safe and shoot for 11:1 to 10.5:1 range for now.
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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do not try to lean the car to 13:1!!!!!!
An NA motor will make best power between 13:1 and 12:1 IF the motor is not detonation limited.
That is way too lean for a boosted motor without race gas. Be safe and shoot for 11:1 to 10.5:1 range for now.
Do not try to lean the car to 13:1!!!!!!
An NA motor will make best power between 13:1 and 12:1 IF the motor is not detonation limited.
That is way too lean for a boosted motor without race gas. Be safe and shoot for 11:1 to 10.5:1 range for now.
After speaking with a few local tuner shops in the area, the 13:1 I was told is meant for NA motors.
I've read the following for Turbo 4cylinders
- On Pump 93 :: 11:1
- On Race Gas :: 11.8:1 - 12.1:1 or leaner depending on Octane or if the car is Alcohol/Water Inj equipped
But then again there are people quoting leaner numbers too. Not sure who to trust in this number game.
It all depends on how "daring" you are I would say!
`Gus
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I've personally run 11.8:1 with a bit of boost on 93 with no ill effects. The motor obviously loves it with the wonderful noises it makes. However, when the weather got colder, I decided to aim a little lower and am currently running ~11.5:1 and tapering down to ~11.2:1.
I run around 11.9:1 on toluene and jack up the timing by about 4* up top ... these cars BEG to go faster.
I run around 11.9:1 on toluene and jack up the timing by about 4* up top ... these cars BEG to go faster.
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Wonderful thread! Thanks for the time and effort.
I purchased a new MR last April and it is still bone stock. If there is anything I can do to help please let me know. I am looking to get prepared to modify with an intent to stay stock for a while longer. The itch is hard not to scratch but I know I'll need that warranty for something (owner of a DSM).
In preparation for modifications later, I want to learn the tuning process. I plan on obtaining the basics to start getting familiar with tuning. My plan is to start purchasing mods now so I don't blow a big hole in my pocket all at once. I am going to install the parts in stages so that I can dyno and tune often to see the improvements. I was hoping to keep a detailed history for the benefit of all.
Keep us updated and let me know if I can help having a stock 9 MR!
-Brian
I purchased a new MR last April and it is still bone stock. If there is anything I can do to help please let me know. I am looking to get prepared to modify with an intent to stay stock for a while longer. The itch is hard not to scratch but I know I'll need that warranty for something (owner of a DSM).
In preparation for modifications later, I want to learn the tuning process. I plan on obtaining the basics to start getting familiar with tuning. My plan is to start purchasing mods now so I don't blow a big hole in my pocket all at once. I am going to install the parts in stages so that I can dyno and tune often to see the improvements. I was hoping to keep a detailed history for the benefit of all.
Keep us updated and let me know if I can help having a stock 9 MR!
-Brian
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Yo Everyone!
Thanks for keeping this thread alive, and I apologize for the dissappearance for the holiday season. As some of you know, I've been traveling in SoCal visiting family and friends (planning on moving "back" here soon), so I have to make sure I secure a few things before that happens.
I will be returning to CT by the end of January and it seems like I'll be setting up a datalogging session with Max!
Thank you MAX for your donation toward the Project Evo Tuning!!!!
<I've honored your contribution by editing the first post of this thread>
`Gus
Thanks for keeping this thread alive, and I apologize for the dissappearance for the holiday season. As some of you know, I've been traveling in SoCal visiting family and friends (planning on moving "back" here soon), so I have to make sure I secure a few things before that happens.
I will be returning to CT by the end of January and it seems like I'll be setting up a datalogging session with Max!
Thank you MAX for your donation toward the Project Evo Tuning!!!!
<I've honored your contribution by editing the first post of this thread>
`Gus
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It drops to 13.0:1 at around 3000rpm and continues to get richer and richer to 10.0:1 or below at redline! The ideal AFR as I've been told is to hold around 13.0-13.2:1 steadily. 10.0:1 is far from it! No wonder the black suts are evident on factory tuned Evo's.
Soon as I make more progress I will be getting a WidebandO2 and an accurate Boost gauge to datalog my MR and my friend's Evo's.
`Gus
p.s. thanks for sharing the insight.
Do NOT attempt to run 13+AFR on a boosted engine.
Let us know if you are interested in obtaining a zeitronix wideband for your data aquisition needs.
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