Bster13

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Emailed Zetronix. Turns out they do not need a manual free air calibration:

I've never heard this mentioned on this forum...pretty important I'd say. I wonder why no Zeitronix fans or vendors haven't mentioned this when Innovate states they can perform "Free Air calibrations?"

I also asked when you would know the O2 sensor went in a Zeitronix setup and I received this reply:

So the advantage w/ the Innovate LC1 to compensate for O2 sensor wear is lost it seems. This leaves the two points left for me to figure out:

-ZT2 has a faster sample rate.
-LC1 has direct digital sampling.

Why can I get both in one wideband? Does one advantage outweigh another?

TouringBubble

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If you plan to log your WBO2 signal via EvoScan or Mitsulogger, chances are that you'll never see that speed from the ZT-2. Logging all of the values I use, I usually get 10-15 samples/sec.

Thoe99

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I have an LC-1 that's installed permanently, works flawlessly.

Bster13

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The LC-1 has "2 programmable analog outputs.' What types of sensors could I connect to analog outputs?

TouringBubble

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You can only connect O2 display/reading devices to those outputs. They are outputs, not inputs. One output is 5V and the other is 1v which can be used to simulate a narrowband signal.

undeadmonk

they are both good i used Zeitronix because i can log boost, AFR, and EGT and wideband. just make my life easy.

roger smith

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I just want to add the reason you see a lot of posts on the innovate forum about LC-1 going bad is because it is sensitive to power levels I think. So when you install it you want to make sure the wiring is connected well and that you have good grounds.

Regarding free-air calibration, it is very easy. Just requires pushing a button and a few seconds. And you don't need to remove the sensor from the exhaust if you can have your car sit for a day or more.

TouringBubble

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... or if you have a decent sized hill around ... I calibrate my sensor with the car running after the injectors cut out on decel. The engine basically turns in to a big air pump and pushes the exhaust gases out rather quickly once the injectors cut out. It's a rather handy trick.

Evo_Jay

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I have used both and this is my final conclusion..

If you just need to get AFR reading into your EVOscan or mitsulogger logs, then get a LC-1.

If you need a WB that also logs RPM, TPS, EGT, boost and a user input, get the Zt-2

Bster13

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I ended up ordering the Innovate LC1 ans Tactrix cable this evening. I like looking stealth and after all the back and forth of technical speak, I think they are both good products, but I don't believe I'll be logging TPS and EGT, but just AFR and Boost through the JDM sensor/ECU. The LC1 was cheaper, so wish me luck on my tuning journey!!!

I plan on installing the Wideband on the stock downpipe, tuning my stock car as best I can as a learning process, then as I change bolt-ons....tune some more.

I appreciate everyone's help!!!

wizzo 8

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Im planning on getting Autometers wideband c2 gauge. Has anyone heard anything about it? Should I look at one of these insted?

cij911

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???? This seems like a silly purchase based upon how you plan to use it...Oh well, your money....

Bster13

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Hrmmm, I thought I was confident in my decision based off advice like yours:

"I really like both setups, but the ZT2 has great options for meth setups (failsafe)."

.....and others. Not a very helpful forum member to speak after I made the purchase, huh?

cij911

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I am sorry ...I should have been nicer and more clear. If you are going to keep your car stock, a very basic tune ($50) will get you 9/10 of the way and would have saved you time and money. I don't really see why you need a wideband if you are keeping your car stock / close to stock, but that is just me...As I said in the beginning, either wideband will suffice for your needs.

Jameson_IXMR

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Im pretty sure they wanted to install it and learn the basics of tuning then start tossing parts at it. I would prefer the LC-1 but right now mine is throwing error codes left and right and either my lc-1 or sensor is dead, (and its brand new, 0 miles on it, never even seen any hot exhaust).