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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 07:01 AM
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im having a lot of trouble lately with my system, i have two memphis 1000 watt subs, and a 1000 watt pioneer amp, just got the subs from a buddy for free and decided to hook them up. well the problem im having lately is that if i turn my radio up louder than say, 55% of the way up. the subs drain to much from my car, shut off the amp and wait for the car to catch up. i have a 1farad cap and i watch it start at 14.1 or 2 all the time, then when the subs kick in i can see it drop all the way to 9. any reason why this is happening?
Old Oct 14, 2006 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Lunchb0x
im having a lot of trouble lately with my system, i have two memphis 1000 watt subs, and a 1000 watt pioneer amp, just got the subs from a buddy for free and decided to hook them up. well the problem im having lately is that if i turn my radio up louder than say, 55% of the way up. the subs drain to much from my car, shut off the amp and wait for the car to catch up. i have a 1farad cap and i watch it start at 14.1 or 2 all the time, then when the subs kick in i can see it drop all the way to 9. any reason why this is happening?
your charging system cant handle it. the cheapest FIRST thing you can do is upgrade your factory grounds. It might help a LITTLE. But the end all solution is an alternator.
Old Oct 14, 2006 | 03:22 PM
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You know the system is to big when you can't leave your system on with the car off for more than 2 mins before the battery dies.
Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:09 AM
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^^^ LOL, but I appreciate the truth in this stmt...

Originally Posted by mrblob20
I made the stupid mistake in thinking two batteries are better than one. I ended up losing my alternator in about 2 years time. I found out later that 2 batteries are more of a strain on the alternator than any help. And amps with unregulated power supplies require volatge to stay at 14.4 to go at max power, while my system always falls below 12 volts.

A cap is useless too, I've got a 3 farad cap. The best thing you can do is get an alternator rebuilt to at least 160 (200 is best). Cuz remember at idle they only produce 50-60 % of the rated output. And i've got 2 PG XENON 600.1 (1200 WRMS total) hitting two PG XENON subs and another 4 channel PG XENON 400.1 (400 WRMS) hitting 2 XENON compoent sets.

And also, you can't do a simple math calculation because it depends on how efficient your amplifier is too. D class amps are 80% efficient, while a/b are about 50%.
Just upgrade that alt and alot of these audio system threads would be no more...
Old Oct 15, 2006 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DontRevMe
i have a hard time believing you are getting 2000rms off of a factory charging system. The lights dim when using factory car accessories for god sakes.
i never run it more than 1/4 power because yes, lights dim majorly and all the interior lights dim to nothing

its only with bass though, so depends what im listening to
Old Oct 15, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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LUNCHBOX the reason its goes down to 9 is because the amp in that instat of time require a lot of power particulary in the low notes, thats the propouse of the cap beacuse the normal bat does not gives or discharge as fast as the cap so it can improve the performance of the amplifier, now what kind of amplifier u have to push your subs, a/b or d?
Old Oct 15, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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The best thing you can do if are having problems with power is to get a good alternator because it will generate all the amps to charge fast the battery.

I think that the post of MORBLOB20 is not complete true you can have more that a batt if you know how to do it porperly ig: for that you need a batt isolator them isolates batteries without any voltage drop, and is compatible with all types of alternators and charging systems.Your batteries will remain separated while the engine is off, preventing voltage drain.

about the 3 farad caps as i said before they are usefull, and you use 1 farad per 1000w.

the amplifiers the d class only works with low notes the requency response usually is is of 20-200 hz so them do not waist energy with the rest of the others freqs; in the other side the a/b class is the oposite works at full range so it needs more energy.

thanks.
Old Oct 15, 2006 | 02:12 PM
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I had 2 kicker comp 12's and 800w fosgate punch amp and my battery was dead in 3 months to where the alternator couldnt recharge it even after i had the speakers disconnected. I charged the battery and it was dead a week later. Bought a new battery and the alternator has done fine still. So that many watts will probably kill your battery faster than your alternator can charge it, but not hurt your actual alternator.
Old Oct 15, 2006 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by eruslobo
The best thing you can do if are having problems with power is to get a good alternator because it will generate all the amps to charge fast the battery.

I think that the post of MORBLOB20 is not complete true you can have more that a batt if you know how to do it porperly ig: for that you need a batt isolator them isolates batteries without any voltage drop, and is compatible with all types of alternators and charging systems.Your batteries will remain separated while the engine is off, preventing voltage drain.

about the 3 farad caps as i said before they are usefull, and you use 1 farad per 1000w.

the amplifiers the d class only works with low notes the requency response usually is is of 20-200 hz so them do not waist energy with the rest of the others freqs; in the other side the a/b class is the oposite works at full range so it needs more energy.

thanks.
A battery isolator causes a voltage drop. its pretty easy.

engine running = 2nd battery bad
engine off = 2nd battery good

Caps are insignificant and a waste of money, especially the Carbon Alloy type that discharge as slow as the car battery. They will hide a voltage drop from you but don't correct it and never will.


There are class D amps that are full range too. They are complicated to switch on and off at that high of a rate and don't sound as good. It is the nature of the class D design to square wave so they aren't really beneficial unless heavily engineered and more expensive than an A/B amp. Class D amps also lose the efficiency benefit they have when driven near their limit so a CLass D @ 1/2 ohm will be about the same efficiency as an A/B amp.
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