SeRious08

Black, but you also must remember that the RRM piggy doesn't give more hp. Rob has always claimed higher tq and better gas milage. Which it has accomplished.

I think I could have seen much better numbers with 3rd gear pulls.

ambystom01

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Hp and torque are directly related, I don't know how you could only increase the torque without increasing the HP. Simply look at this equation,

HP = rpm x T(torque) 5252(constant)

This is why when you look at a dyno, the HP and torque curves cross at 5252.

Blacksheepdj

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No doubt. I'm just saying that when I see the comparison between a stock AT and a modded MT, I don't like the numbers being that close.

I'm not knocking the RRM piggy or anything. I'm just starting to wonder if the 4B11 will be another 4G94 (i.e. - N/A mods are a waste of time). Only time and more testing will tell us.

SeRious08

True. But it probably only increased my hp by 1% but my tq by 5%. Without playing with the octane and timing, its hard to raise the hp numbers. Even Rob stated that it raised the hp some but nothing to get crazy about. The greater gain was the tq and gas milage.

SeRious08

I see what you are saying. Hopefully it won't be like the 4G boys that have just about every mod possible for NA and are bearly hitting 160s (or somewhere in there).

madfast

it's all about the head

as soon as we get some serious tuners who will examine how well the stock head flows, we won't see any real good gains imo. being a long time honda fan, simple bolt ons give nice double digit gains all the time on the k20. but of course the k20 head flows great. the stock intake or header is usually holding it back. in the case of the GTS it's quite clear the lancer is an economy car first and the RA/EVO are the sportscars. it may very well be that the stock head just doesn't flow very well.

another big thing is that the stock intake manifold, yeah the plastic one, doesn't look too performance oriented to me. looks like all 3 trims share the same manifold so economy and manufacturing/material cost seems to be the purpose of the stock manifold. no intake/filter on earth will give good gains when it has to pass through a restrictive piece of plastic.

on a good note is the stock 2.5" exhaust. but of course there is no talk about the stock header. it's no use to have a good exhaust if it has to go through a restrictive header first. another good note is the cat is under the car and not one of those close coupled designs. long primary headers would flow great given the ample space back there.

the point is the lancer really is a bad platform to tune if you want big NA power. you'd have to change so much to get relatively little. it just seems to me the engine is tailor made for boost

the only thing that can save the lancer from NA tuning death is a new model/trim with upgraded parts stock. i'd like to see a new intake manifold, new cams, and some higher CR. those mods would instantly make respectable power and would offer a better platform to tune. but in the end it's all about the head.

ambystom01

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Try 100 hp. The thing to consider with the piggyback, it may not increase peak HP that much but it may change the curve dramatically.

SeRious08

That plastic manifold is stronger than you think. Ford has been running a plastic intake manifold for years in the Focus and ZX2 line. Both have cars in the 2-300 hp range with them. I was in the 170s whp with it.

chino ali

What is the going rate for and specialist to tune it with the ECUtek?
And is it possible to combine the RRM's piggy with it?

If i decide not get any of the new Lancer Variants or the X, i am goin to crunch some numbers on total prices for all the upgrades for the GTS.

madfast

i'm sure it's strong, as plastic technology nowadays is amazing, but it's not designed for power.

Blacksheepdj

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Depends on the tuner. Buschur Racing was $120/hour last I checked.

It would be totally stupid to use the piggy with it. You can, but I would NOT recommend it. They both do the same basic thing, but the EcuTek is better.

chino ali

hmmm
$120/hr? A lil steep. But it sounds like it might be worth it. On the piggy, i am glad to hear it's an either/or choice. Didn't really feel comfortable of 2 different things messing with the computer, sounds like a would have too many chances of inner conflicts.

specialk8519

120/hr? How long would it take normally?

ambystom01

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Again it depends on how thorough you want them to be. Do you just want it dyno tuned or do you want them to road tune it too? 120$/hr might sound steep but it's actually not that bad considering what you get for it. I know guys who have spent 2000$ having a professional rally driver tune their subarus and it was worth every penny, their car drives like stock (ie. idles great, can adjust to different temperatures, etc.) but with 100 exta horses.

chino ali

hmmm.
oh, I figured it's worth it. But a possibility for an extra 100hp is very impressive.
152hp to a possible 250hp?

Which is better? Dyno or Road tuned?