potential engine swap?
Dec 18, 2002, 05:28 PM
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Thanks for the info, bahamut.
I'm nowhere near intimidated by VTEC, especially the current US applications, but, the Type R is a pretty decent (if not the best besides the Type S RSX) use of it, and a formidable vehicle. So, the idea that the Lancer could obtain the power to even compete with the ITR while remaining NA is very very interesting. Any clue on cost of a kit/installation? Hate to keep asking questions, but, it seems that this is the first time that this has been explored as an option.
I'm nowhere near intimidated by VTEC, especially the current US applications, but, the Type R is a pretty decent (if not the best besides the Type S RSX) use of it, and a formidable vehicle. So, the idea that the Lancer could obtain the power to even compete with the ITR while remaining NA is very very interesting. Any clue on cost of a kit/installation? Hate to keep asking questions, but, it seems that this is the first time that this has been explored as an option.
Dec 18, 2002, 08:41 PM
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http://www.junauto.co.jp/products/cy...custom-kit/?en
Here's an example of a stroker kit for other makes and models. It's dependent on bore and stroke, upgraded material, and possible new crankshaft (don't know if it's custom or a core with just machine balanced). Also, each company make their own version of stroker . . . don't know any besides Jun, but I'm sure they are out there making such kits to 'tegra GS or GSR and even civic EX or SI. Domestic doesn't count in this pool.
Just look at the stat on any engine and compare to factory specs. You'll get the idea of a stroker.
As for cost, I don't really know. You can guess looking at forged material from conrods, pistons, and other small stuff off retail priice via piece meal . . . at least an estimate by adding them up. Again, it might hit 3500 bucks, but you can save a lot by doing most of the labor with fellow DSM'ers who have the experience pulling motors apart. It's far cheaper to pay friends than a mechanic at 60 bucks an hour or so.
See the 1.8L guys can follow the bore and stroke (at least close) as the 4g94 to become our version of a stroker. The same with the 1.6L MIVEC who stroker it using specs off the 4g93 (rumored to be done in Malyasia - I have no solid proof of its existance).
Of course, there will be some side affects of losing rpm. How much? It will be dependent on math and physics.
As for the possibility of a stroker 4g94, I don't know. No one to my knowledge has opened the engine up and compare parts with the 4g93.
Here's an example of a stroker kit for other makes and models. It's dependent on bore and stroke, upgraded material, and possible new crankshaft (don't know if it's custom or a core with just machine balanced). Also, each company make their own version of stroker . . . don't know any besides Jun, but I'm sure they are out there making such kits to 'tegra GS or GSR and even civic EX or SI. Domestic doesn't count in this pool.
Just look at the stat on any engine and compare to factory specs. You'll get the idea of a stroker.
As for cost, I don't really know. You can guess looking at forged material from conrods, pistons, and other small stuff off retail priice via piece meal . . . at least an estimate by adding them up. Again, it might hit 3500 bucks, but you can save a lot by doing most of the labor with fellow DSM'ers who have the experience pulling motors apart. It's far cheaper to pay friends than a mechanic at 60 bucks an hour or so.
See the 1.8L guys can follow the bore and stroke (at least close) as the 4g94 to become our version of a stroker. The same with the 1.6L MIVEC who stroker it using specs off the 4g93 (rumored to be done in Malyasia - I have no solid proof of its existance).
Of course, there will be some side affects of losing rpm. How much? It will be dependent on math and physics.
As for the possibility of a stroker 4g94, I don't know. No one to my knowledge has opened the engine up and compare parts with the 4g93.
Dec 18, 2002, 09:07 PM
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Also, this might be the last gen of the 4g9x family, but I do see the possbility of Mitsu creating a 2.2L 4g95 at absolute max. There won't be enough room to create a bore and stroke to match a 2.4L using the same block.
Within a dozen yrs or so, Mitsu will have to create a new 4 cyl family, unless parts raiding off the Neon. ewwww!
Within a dozen yrs or so, Mitsu will have to create a new 4 cyl family, unless parts raiding off the Neon. ewwww!
Dec 19, 2002, 06:13 AM
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We can prolly contact RPW I had spoken to dave about restroking a while back and he stated he had the parts for it. Here is something to ponder Imagine a restrked 2.2 4g94 with a mivec head It can be done according to Dave and It would be a N/A Monster the difficult part would of course be finding a post 1997 mivec head (specifically) and NON MIVEC-MD I tried this route but realized for money + downtime = no good for me I need to finish my other car before I can go into upgrades for my lancer
Dec 19, 2002, 01:25 PM
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Everything I read about the Prelude engine (is the designation H22? I can't remember) seems to point to it being a major exception of all rules of autmotive physics and engine behavior. Definitely not a normal engine in any sense of the word, and hard to compare it to anything else.
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any one have any thought about swapping with a J-Spec Mirage motor...I was thinking the 4G61 Turbo motor from an 88-89 j-spec mirage......I know where I can geton real cheep........
http://www.nippon-motors.com/mitsubishi.htm they have a good selection of motors
http://www.nippon-motors.com/mitsubishi.htm they have a good selection of motors
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Originally posted by IUP200
any one have any thought about swapping with a J-Spec Mirage motor...I was thinking the 4G61 Turbo motor from an 88-89 j-spec mirage......I know where I can geton real cheep........
http://www.nippon-motors.com/mitsubishi.htm they have a good selection of motors
any one have any thought about swapping with a J-Spec Mirage motor...I was thinking the 4G61 Turbo motor from an 88-89 j-spec mirage......I know where I can geton real cheep........
http://www.nippon-motors.com/mitsubishi.htm they have a good selection of motors
Feb 27, 2003, 01:16 AM
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The 4G93 turbo, there are two phases, just like the 4G63, you will have to find the right engine for the corresponding chassis.
See my signature for more info
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Feb 28, 2003, 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by IUP200
what about a 4g93 turbo motor..?????????
what about a 4g93 turbo motor..?????????
ohh about the 4g93, nope wont fit! the mounts of the lancer and further back than the mounts on the mirage! it can probably be done if you throw in the whole engine and tranny, and fabricate custom tranny mounts!
Feb 28, 2003, 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by BoricuaMIRAGE
the 4g93 < is not turbo unless you make it, you might be talking about the 4g92mivec...
ohh about the 4g93, nope wont fit! the mounts of the lancer and further back than the mounts on the mirage! it can probably be done if you throw in the whole engine and tranny, and fabricate custom tranny mounts!
the 4g93 < is not turbo unless you make it, you might be talking about the 4g92mivec...
ohh about the 4g93, nope wont fit! the mounts of the lancer and further back than the mounts on the mirage! it can probably be done if you throw in the whole engine and tranny, and fabricate custom tranny mounts!
Why would a lancer owner want to lose displacement? That's a downgrade. I'm sure a 4g94 can fit in a mirage. Both use the same block and tranny as a cost saving measure from Mitsu.
Mar 16, 2003, 06:44 AM
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DOHC conversions
Just on the topic of DOHC conversions. I live in Aus and drive a lancer with a 4g92 (1.6L SOHC not the mivec) and most parts are swapable from the 4g93 (and vice versa) so i can't see a single reason why you couldn't swap parts to your 4g94 engine form the 4g92/3 engines.
There are 2 cars that you could get a DOHC head off that sould fit on the 4g94 and both those cars use the 4g93 block. The first car is the Proton Gti (pretty much a aus mirage with a better engine and body kit) it has a 4g93 DOHC N/A making about 105kw at the fly, the next car is the lancer GSR (not an evo) it comes with a 4g93 DOHC turbo making around 140-145kw at the fly wheel. Both these options would be much cheaper than a mivec head converion. But the Proton may very hard to find and then import to the US, you would have much better luck finding the GSR head
As for a compleat engine swap. The engines I've listed where built into pre 1996 chassies after that the engine 'swapped sides'. They did make a GSR after 1996 but were only brought out in japan, the demand them is also very very high as most people in aus cant afford 1996+ evo engine, so this swap would be the next best thing.
Just my $0.02
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There are 2 cars that you could get a DOHC head off that sould fit on the 4g94 and both those cars use the 4g93 block. The first car is the Proton Gti (pretty much a aus mirage with a better engine and body kit) it has a 4g93 DOHC N/A making about 105kw at the fly, the next car is the lancer GSR (not an evo) it comes with a 4g93 DOHC turbo making around 140-145kw at the fly wheel. Both these options would be much cheaper than a mivec head converion. But the Proton may very hard to find and then import to the US, you would have much better luck finding the GSR head
As for a compleat engine swap. The engines I've listed where built into pre 1996 chassies after that the engine 'swapped sides'. They did make a GSR after 1996 but were only brought out in japan, the demand them is also very very high as most people in aus cant afford 1996+ evo engine, so this swap would be the next best thing.
Just my $0.02
CAL.