1sweetoz

I aint knocking rrm but if these guys bars are good enuff 4 a bimmer then theyre good enuff 4 me.
just my $.02

ronnie112

nuff said!

pearloz

If that is true then why does how stuff works use these words. I was trying to simplify by saying wheels that are conected to controll arms. but that was what I was trying to say. thanks for not flaming me, Im not trying to be an ***

liquidlancer

iTrader: (15)

God! I have both of the damn strut braces, it dont make a diference and I am a maniac! Ive pushed my car past its limits with both bars, and I cant tell the diference.

And as far as the sway bar and strut brace body roll crap.

Sway bars will reduce body roll by pullin the side of the car on the inside of the turn down. Thus making less lateral roll.

strut brace reduces chassi flex.

I think you guys are gettint the two confused.

Body roll is the movment of the car tilting in a side to side direction.
Chassi flex is the car trying to bend itself down the middle.

sway bar for body roll!
strut brace for chassi flex!
And as far as what strut brace is beter? Quit whining, get yourself a decent peice of steel tubing and weld it between your friggin strut towers!
no chance of it moving ever!!

hey man i only use the best and i use rrm for most everything

1sweetoz

if anyone wants the phone # to freedom design it is
1-800-296-8850 x 203, just ask for warren gant and tell him that carlos sent ya

HobieKopek

iTrader: (8)

I was referring to the sway bars. I have no doubt about RRM making their own strut bars.

uranium9v

iTrader: (3)

Why is it that every company makes a cai for our car? Make something no company makes for us yet.

1sweetoz

they're using my car as a guinea pig for alot of stuff not just a CAI or bars. if you wanna know what they will have for us give warren a call

uranium9v

iTrader: (3)

or you could just post what you know.....

1sweetoz

he was talking about the possibility of a spoiler,possible springs, body kit and so much more **** that i cant remember. he tells me that he wants to try some new stuff on my car and i just give himthe keys:

HobieKopek

iTrader: (8)

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say too. I think it was just the wording.

I have to admit guilt to being confused between the body roll and chassis flex thing.

hardcoretuner

thanks liquid lancer for explaining all that i was readin through this thread and i was like honestly someone know what your talkin bout sept for 3 people lol anyway for anyone who isn't getting it

rrm vs rmr = no difference because your could never physically put your car under enough stress to use the benifits that the rmr bar MAY have. i must agree, it does look stronger but its not realistic to think that your car not could handle 1g on the skidpad with either of these bars best i have seen tested is a rrm setup all the way around with the progress springs, rear sway bar, front strut tower bar and that car registered an amazing .97 on the skidpad. the thing to remember is that there is a point of overkill on chassis stiffness and body roll at one point it doesn't get any better and though u may have something better on it the car won't feel any different becuase the car itself isn't good enough.
sry if none of that made sense it just kinda spilled outa my head
just my 2 cents

nomoore

Body roll = when your car leans during cornering
Chassis flex = The actual metal of you chassis flexes and bends under stress of cornering.

A strut tower bar helps reduce some chassis flex when the thin metal of the strut tower flexes. When cornering, much more stress is put on one tower than the other. By connecting your two strut towers you have much more rigidty. If your strut towers flex your steering won't feel as solid and it could possibly even affect your alignment while cornering.


A sway bar helps reduce body roll at the expense of some traction. It basically connects the suspension of the left side with the right side. Without a sway bar the right and left suspension acts independently. Your springs push both tires to the ground as
forcefully and with as even a pressure as they can. This force will not be even because one spring is compressed much more than the other but a sway bar makes this worse. With a sway bar, when your outside (outside in respect to the turn) suspension is pushed upward the sway bar will push upward on the inside suspension also. This will put more even pressure on your springs therefore reducing body roll/leaning. The downside is that it reduces traction. This is because the weight is transferred from the inside wheel to the outside wheel. In other words since the sway bar is pushing up on the inside suspension it tends to lift that tire up off the ground. This will put more weight on the outside tire. Two tires with 500 pounds of pressure will have more traction than 1 tire with 1000 pounds of pressure because there is more contact patch.

Now here's how the sway bar connects the suspension:
*See picture*
When you lift at point A the part of the bar connected to the chassis will twist. This will in turn lift on the other side of the bar at point B.

HobieKopek

iTrader: (8)

I meant before Joe's post, but thanks for the added detail.

nomoore

Oh... Sorry!

Wait a sec... you mean I did all that work for nuthin?
Oh well! It was fun writing up and helped solidify it in my mind.