Lancer DE brakes
Jan 22, 2008, 09:41 AM
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Lancer DE brakes
now, the DE has front disk brakes and rear drums, the ES has 4 disk brakes as an option, and the GTS has 4 disk brakes standard. what i would like to know is can i change the stock drum setup on my DE to solid disks?
Jan 22, 2008, 09:20 PM
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Jan 23, 2008, 12:33 PM
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At a minimum you will need the following:
rotors
calipers
pads
flexible hoses to connect the brake lines to the calipers
If that's all you need, then it won't be too bad.
Some things I'm not sure about:
Will the front/rear bias in hydraulic pressure be appropriate for the new setup? I imagine the hydraulic system is designed to apply a certain amount of force at the front, and a certain amount at the rear. This may not be the same for a disc/drum setup as for a disc/disc setup. I don't know??? If it is not appropriate, then I have no idea how you would go about changing it. If the bias is not appropriate, then you will likely put abnormal wear on either the front or rear brakes.
Do the rear hubs on your car have mounting points for calipers and will they allow the rotors to be mounted??? If not, then you need new hubs.
If you're serious about trying this, then I would suggest trying to find a car wrecked in the front end so you can scavenge used parts. I wouldn't be surprised if trying to retrofit a car with new parts would cost more than the difference in base prices between a new DE and a new ES.
You will still want to retain some kind of drum setup for your parking brake. Possibly more complications?
Now to the real question: Why do you want to do this??? Switching from rear drums to rear discs will have essentially no effect on your panic stopping distance. In a situation where you have to lay on the brakes to come to a short stop (e.g., a car or a deer cuts in front of you), your stopping distance is determined by your reaction time and the friction between your tires and the road. Believe it or not, your brakes are actually not a significant factor here (as long as they are working properly)!!! The advantage of discs is that they dissipate heat much easier than drums. This comes into play when you are doing frequent, heavy braking. If you plan on driving your car on a track, or if you frequently drive down long steep hills (i.e., mountains), then the switch to rear discs might be of use. The latter is not really a Baltimore issue.
So, unless you plan to track the car, this will likely be an expensive proposition that will give you back no noticeable benefit in performance and may very well screw something up.
rotors
calipers
pads
flexible hoses to connect the brake lines to the calipers
If that's all you need, then it won't be too bad.
Some things I'm not sure about:
Will the front/rear bias in hydraulic pressure be appropriate for the new setup? I imagine the hydraulic system is designed to apply a certain amount of force at the front, and a certain amount at the rear. This may not be the same for a disc/drum setup as for a disc/disc setup. I don't know??? If it is not appropriate, then I have no idea how you would go about changing it. If the bias is not appropriate, then you will likely put abnormal wear on either the front or rear brakes.
Do the rear hubs on your car have mounting points for calipers and will they allow the rotors to be mounted??? If not, then you need new hubs.
If you're serious about trying this, then I would suggest trying to find a car wrecked in the front end so you can scavenge used parts. I wouldn't be surprised if trying to retrofit a car with new parts would cost more than the difference in base prices between a new DE and a new ES.
You will still want to retain some kind of drum setup for your parking brake. Possibly more complications?
Now to the real question: Why do you want to do this??? Switching from rear drums to rear discs will have essentially no effect on your panic stopping distance. In a situation where you have to lay on the brakes to come to a short stop (e.g., a car or a deer cuts in front of you), your stopping distance is determined by your reaction time and the friction between your tires and the road. Believe it or not, your brakes are actually not a significant factor here (as long as they are working properly)!!! The advantage of discs is that they dissipate heat much easier than drums. This comes into play when you are doing frequent, heavy braking. If you plan on driving your car on a track, or if you frequently drive down long steep hills (i.e., mountains), then the switch to rear discs might be of use. The latter is not really a Baltimore issue.
So, unless you plan to track the car, this will likely be an expensive proposition that will give you back no noticeable benefit in performance and may very well screw something up.
Jan 23, 2008, 12:44 PM
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P.S. Does anyone have comparative figures for stopping distances of DE, ES, and GTS? I imagine they are all pretty close, and the differences would be due to differences in grip of the different tires, not the brakes.
If you want to improve stopping distance in panic stops, get wider wheels with wider and "grippier" tires. That would be a heck of a lot easier and cheaper than retrofitting rear discs.
If you want to improve stopping distance in panic stops, get wider wheels with wider and "grippier" tires. That would be a heck of a lot easier and cheaper than retrofitting rear discs.
Jan 23, 2008, 02:21 PM
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^^ not all the trims come with 4 wheel discs, I was one of the unfortunates to have drums in the rear. Anyway I found this article about changing the rear drums to discs but it was done on a prius, but it gives an idea of what to do. And believe me it could be done because I saw a DE with four brembo brakes from an Evo.
This is the article: http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2296/article.html
This is the article: http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2296/article.html
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This upgrade basically included Disc Brakes with Anti-Lock braking with EBD, Manual Air Conditioning, Power Door Locks, Power Windows, and Floor Mats.
It’s one of those upgrades that has to be installed on the car from the factory…
Jan 24, 2008, 03:56 PM
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^^ not all the trims come with 4 wheel discs, I was one of the unfortunates to have drums in the rear. Anyway I found this article about changing the rear drums to discs but it was done on a prius, but it gives an idea of what to do. And believe me it could be done because I saw a DE with four brembo brakes from an Evo.
This is the article: http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2296/article.html
This is the article: http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2296/article.html
Jan 24, 2008, 07:33 PM
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^^ not all the trims come with 4 wheel discs, I was one of the unfortunates to have drums in the rear. Anyway I found this article about changing the rear drums to discs but it was done on a prius, but it gives an idea of what to do. And believe me it could be done because I saw a DE with four brembo brakes from an Evo.