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Old Oct 2, 2006, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 6-speed
I don't know if a BPU modded Supra would hit 10's without some decent weight reduction.

Yes the Supra was over-engineered, and I'm still amazed how the Toyota bean counters could allow a car like the Supra get into production.

Comparing the Supra to a 3000GT VR4 isn't really fair.

I believe the Supra to be a better car.

I don't think it was 1000rwhp on the stock block, but 958rwhp.

Nonetheless very very impressive.


I still think the C5 Z06 to be a better performance value then a Supra though.
BPU Supra can run 10's!!Jason(Hotsoup) did it,but with 75 shot of nitrous.Supra stock block record is 980whp.Supra performance is quite impressive even in stock trim.Hold the magazine brake record until Enzo or CGT chime in, .98G skidpad,low 13's@107MPH,BPU can hit 11's with right driver,tire and condition.And more sexier than vette in my onpinion.
Old Oct 2, 2006, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mitsuorder
Corvettes are maintenance nightmares. If you think the evo is a pain due to this reason, you're stepping into a whole new world of fun with a C5. Just sharing some insight after spending a year working on them.
Really? In what way, please explain.

Maybe you know something that we don't because most of have no problem maintaining the car.
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Joshbu,


Exactly, that is one of my main point. What makes a Supra TT worth that much?, the reality is that they aren't worth that much, only silly people that blindy support a overpriced used obsolete car makes the Supra go overprice on the market.

Have you driven a 3000 GT VR4? they are bad a s s cars, they come fully equipped and cost half of a Supra. Why would you want a used car that cost that much?

Stock Supras run high to low 14s, it takes a lot of money to make them fast. A stock Z06 run low 13's to mid 12's out from the box.




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Wow, I can't believe im reading this from you as you seem to be a well inform guy about other cars besides the evo. Supra runs mid - low 14's? So your saying my stock G35 can take one? Hell even my modded ralliart could? WTF? Supra run low - mid 13's with about 103-106mph traps. I guess you have the worst track in the world in tucson, but your track doesn't speak for all other. Far as making power, they make silly power for almost even if not less than the evo. I gather you have not done research on the supra, as they are TRUELY A BEAST! On top of that, the 3kGT was a nice car, but nowhere near or compare to the supra. Only car that can be put next to a supra and in some cases even BEST it, is the FD3S.
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I say you keep the EVO and stop waisting money. Who says you buy one of these cars and four months later don't click? Seriously what a stupid comment, oh me and the car just didn't click, maybe you should have put the time and research into something before you spent well over $20,000.
What a waste of a post. Seriously 3k, how old are you?
Old Oct 2, 2006, 03:46 PM
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Really? In what way, please explain.

Maybe you know something that we don't because most of have no problem maintaining the car.

Chevy can't even figure out it's own electrical gremlins in the C5. Can you even safely get your car up in the air with out the aluminum pucks? From the factory the intake manifold seals leak. Has there even been an official fix for the column lock issue? Can you actually change your own oil without a lift? The whole magna ride system is a disaster waiting to happen. Also may I take a moment to say sorry for anyone foolish enough to ever buy a transition year Corvette?

I have worked on many, sorry if my opinion is strong on this subject but you have to admit that it is quite a specialized car and is impractical for many. Granted the same could be said for the Evolution but on a lesser scale than America's performance icon. I would say that 7/10ths of the income of the shop I worked at came in from trouble shooting these vehicles.

Basically what I'm getting at is that without a pretty extensively equipped personal shop or local specialist, many Corvette owners would find it difficult to own their vehicles. Then again if you have the change to purchase a C5 or C6, the maintenance fees are probably of no concern.

Merely letting a fellow Evolution owner know what he may be getting into from personal experience working on the Corvette for a year straight.

With all of this being said I do enjoy a drive in a c5, but that's where my rational mind takes control and reminds me of what comes along with owning one.

edit: forgot a question mark

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Old Oct 3, 2006, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by mitsuorder
Chevy can't even figure out it's own electrical gremlins in the C5.
What electrical gremlins? I've never had any issues.
Can you even safely get your car up in the air with out the aluminum pucks?
Yes and pucks aren't anything special, anyone can make those.
From the factory the intake manifold seals leak.
Haven't heard many people with this problem. No leak on my car.
Has there even been an official fix for the column lock issue?
Yup and not all cars has this issue
Can you actually change your own oil without a lift?
Yes, it's quite easy. I don't have a lift and I can change the oil just fine.
The whole magna ride system is a disaster waiting to happen.
I need you to be more specific.
Also may I take a moment to say sorry for anyone foolish enough to ever buy a transition year Corvette?
Why?
I have worked on many, sorry if my opinion is strong on this subject but you have to admit that it is quite a specialized car and is impractical for many.
I've owned many imports in the past and many other brands and I've yet to own a car that could be cosidered as perfect (at my price range), maybe I need to buy a EVO.
Basically what I'm getting at is that without a pretty extensively equipped personal shop or local specialist, many Corvette owners would find it difficult to own their vehicles. Then again if you have the change to purchase a C5 or C6, the maintenance fees are probably of no concern.
Again, my garage doesn't have a lift or special tools but I don't have any problem maintaining the crude and lowly vette.

If I had any issues, I would certainly bring it up but attempting to ridicule a car for maintainability when there isn't much to complain about is reaching, imo. I am merely a shadetree mechanic but I funny it pretty comical that some one would say vettes are horrible to maintain, when if, it really isn't.
Old Oct 3, 2006, 08:23 AM
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im just curuios..does anyone know what a stock NA supra runs in the quarter? my buddy owns one and says i dont have a chance.. i drive an Evo..
Old Oct 3, 2006, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
What electrical gremlins? I've never had any issues.
Ahh... let me think back to the countless hours spent tracing down bad factory grounds, those were good times. Building a grounding system for a fiberglass shell honestly must be quite tricky.

We used to have people come in for random traction control failure on a weekly basis.

Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
Yes and pucks aren't anything special, anyone can make those.
The fact that you have to use aftermarket pucks to even get a vehicle safely into the air without doing major damage to it's fiberglass structure is scary enough in my opinion but if one can live with that then more power to you.

Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
Haven't heard many people with this problem. No leak on my car.
Please do yourself a favor and check your iac sum. Many were completely suprised at what the Tech 2 would reveal here.

Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
Yup and not all cars has this issue
Many C5's that came through the shop I worked at had this issue. I don't think I ever saw one come through that had the problem actually resolved by the dealer.

Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
Yes, it's quite easy. I don't have a lift and I can change the oil just fine.
Ahhh... Good to know you are able to get the car elevated and level. Using a jack on the back crossmember? I bring up the point of getting a C5 or C6 level due to the fact that it takes a good while for the two cars to fully drain and they won't do so properly unless completely level. Just my experience here.

Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
I need you to be more specific.
The Magna-Ride system uses shocks filled with liquid which can changed firmness with varying electric current. Putting GM in charge of designing such a system is again, scary.

Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
Why?
Have you seen the ecu issues with '97 and '05 Corvette ecus? This platform is an experimental one just like Cadillac and with this comes the need to accept the fact that you are GM's r&d guinea pig.


Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
I've owned many imports in the past and many other brands and I've yet to own a car that could be cosidered as perfect (at my price range), maybe I need to buy a EVO.
I have noticed that the Corvette tends to be one of the "goal" cars for those who have a tendency to jump around a lot when it comes to their vehicles. The heritage and patriotic branding campain do make it quite the icon for buyers. Not it's reliability.

No car is perfect and I would be the first to admit that the Evo is a high maintenance vehicle. Again, my point in all of this is that going from an Evolution to a Corvette will be a different world as far as troubleshooting and maintenance.

Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
Again, my garage doesn't have a lift or special tools but I don't have any problem maintaining the crude and lowly vette.

If I had any issues, I would certainly bring it up but attempting to ridicule a car for maintainability when there isn't much to complain about is reaching, imo. I am merely a shadetree mechanic but I funny it pretty comical that some one would say vettes are horrible to maintain, when if, it really isn't.
I have respect for the Corvette as far as what it can do. I have never doubted it's potential but it simply is not a car you want to have as a daily, even the most die hard checkered flag enthusiasts have admitted that to me.

I can honestly say that I am more than happy for you that you haven't experienced any issues with your Corvette, as your case is exceptional. I applaud you for your bravery in being a shadetree mechanic and owning this vehicle. Then again maybe my time at a Corvette troubleshooting specialty shop left me with a bit of a jaded opinion. Guess you can only see the same issues over and over before coming to a conclusion as a mechanic...
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Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
Joshbu,


Exactly, that is one of my main point. What makes a Supra TT worth that much?, the reality is that they aren't worth that much, only silly people that blindy support a overpriced used obsolete car makes the Supra go overprice on the market.

Have you driven a 3000 GT VR4? they are bad a s s cars, they come fully equipped and cost half of a Supra. Why would you want a used car that cost that much?

Stock Supras run high to low 14s, it takes a lot of money to make them fast. A stock Z06 run low 13's to mid 12's out from the box.




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a stock c5-z06 runs mid to low 12's at about 117mph and has hit a .98-1.02 on the skid pad, and can handle and brake with the best of them

know your facts before speaking about cars again

i ran a 12.2@118mph my 2nd time at the track...stock with 405 HP
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yea i would go for the supra too.
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Originally Posted by boostinjuice
im just curuios..does anyone know what a stock NA supra runs in the quarter? my buddy owns one and says i dont have a chance.. i drive an Evo..
your buddy is stupid. Go run him and show him that he is because its not gonna be a fun race to watch.
Old Oct 5, 2006, 01:48 PM
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Z06 is the way to go. The engine is really nice and it will be MUCH cheaper to mod.
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