02 EP3 Civic SI vs New 07 Impreza 2.5i
Feb 23, 2007, 10:40 AM
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Wouldnt lease a car so no on that, The Si I believe is a nice looking car and can be fast if done right but like said b4 its torqueless. you may have 200 HP but like 120-130 Tq.. I would say ralliart also since it is a fun car, its nice because of the torque it has and the stock suspension isnt too bad. and also the loyalty trade in for the Evo X your waiting for
Wouldnt lease a car so no on that, The Si I believe is a nice looking car and can be fast if done right but like said b4 its torqueless. you may have 200 HP but like 120-130 Tq.. I would say ralliart also since it is a fun car, its nice because of the torque it has and the stock suspension isnt too bad. and also the loyalty trade in for the Evo X your waiting for
Yeah yeah you dont like "renting" your car. Well when you finance a car for 5 years and trade it in before you finish paying it off like 99% of all people who finance..guess what you did. You rented a car, because you never owned it.
Also. The K20 in that Civic is a monster waiting to be unleashed. put a K24 bottom end on that thing slap a gt35r on it with twister manifold, and an exhaust, hondata....500whp is easily attainable. Or you could go with a 2.6 stroker bottom end with IPS cams, K20r intake manifold, header, exhaust, Hondata and make 300whp all motor. Its been done by more than one person.
I do agree though those Gen Civic SI's are kinda fugly, but there are a few good looking ones with some aftermarket goodies on them.
Feb 23, 2007, 10:46 AM
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Than start laughing, because its the funniest thing your ever gonna hear.
4G69 > K20a3
The ralliart and the 4G69 motor was built in regards for one thing only, to do every and anything better than k20a3 Ep3 Si hatch can do. That is exactly where MMC and MMNA set its target at when they released the lancer ralliart and it does extremely well. Obviously you know nothing about the 4G69 and how stout of a motor it is in general and how much better it in stock and modifed form than the K20a3.
If your not impressed with the 4G69 than you'll be beating your head against the wall once you get your hands on the k20a3. Such a sorry excuse for a k20.
Anyways, I wouldnt even buy a em2 SI as your just asking to get jacked for that b16. Just lease the 2.5i and call it a day.
4G69 > K20a3
The ralliart and the 4G69 motor was built in regards for one thing only, to do every and anything better than k20a3 Ep3 Si hatch can do. That is exactly where MMC and MMNA set its target at when they released the lancer ralliart and it does extremely well. Obviously you know nothing about the 4G69 and how stout of a motor it is in general and how much better it in stock and modifed form than the K20a3.
If your not impressed with the 4G69 than you'll be beating your head against the wall once you get your hands on the k20a3. Such a sorry excuse for a k20.
Anyways, I wouldnt even buy a em2 SI as your just asking to get jacked for that b16. Just lease the 2.5i and call it a day.
Way to go bro. a 2.4 liter better have more tq than a 2.0. To bad that 2.4 is useless.
refer to my previous post if you want to know how a real 2.4 liter motor can make power.
Feb 23, 2007, 10:59 AM
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I owned a brand new Mazda 6S for about 7 months and sold it because the car had major clutch problems with its clutch. The dealers around here wouldn't do anything to fix the problem. From that experience, I will never own another Mazda again.
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put it this way...
a ralliart can stomp the ep3 into the ground. hell, the ralliart can stay with a rsx-s with a good driver. i did it i dont see why noone else can.
the ralliart is a good car for the price, 162hp isnt too bad out of a 4cyl. the k20a3 is a horrible excuse for a k20, like stated before.
for a couple grand more you can get a truck... 07 tacoma x-runner is a bad a$$ truck... and i know because i own one... 1GR-FE if you wanna talk engine code..
anyways, my truck destroys all the cars youre looking at. but if you have to choose one, you also need to look at the fact that the subby is AWD.
a ralliart can stomp the ep3 into the ground. hell, the ralliart can stay with a rsx-s with a good driver. i did it i dont see why noone else can.
the ralliart is a good car for the price, 162hp isnt too bad out of a 4cyl. the k20a3 is a horrible excuse for a k20, like stated before.
for a couple grand more you can get a truck... 07 tacoma x-runner is a bad a$$ truck... and i know because i own one... 1GR-FE if you wanna talk engine code..
anyways, my truck destroys all the cars youre looking at. but if you have to choose one, you also need to look at the fact that the subby is AWD.
Feb 24, 2007, 03:57 AM
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Get a cheap car, I'd say, don't spend more than $5k. It's just stupid if you're not going to keep the car.
And if you get a used Civic, one thing is for sure, you'll be able to sell it for almost the same money you bought it for. Which will not happen with other cars.
And if you get a used Civic, one thing is for sure, you'll be able to sell it for almost the same money you bought it for. Which will not happen with other cars.
Feb 25, 2007, 09:16 AM
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Welll I'll add my two cents here, I work at a car stealership so I've learned a few things. I would go for the lease, expecially if you're just gonna buy the evo x when it comes out, on the new 2.5i impreza it's a great car, nothing flashy and not fast. You can drive it all you want and just beat the **** out of it and it's a subaru so it'll last forever pretty much. Awd is gonna help during snow and rain and what not. The civic i'd have to say nay on, had the chance to drive one myself that we took in on trade, and as it was fun to drive i would never own one.
Feb 25, 2007, 10:30 AM
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The people here saying a EP3 SI is better than a Ralliart clearly haven't driven both of the cars. Or you're just some of the annoying ****** here who think that anything that isn't an Evo is crap. The Ralliart holds its own quite well in the NA 4 cyl market, and is by far a better car than the EP3.
To the OP, I wouldn't go with either option, both will be a waste of your money. Find a cheap mid-late 90's reliable beater and milk it until the new Evo comes out.
To the OP, I wouldn't go with either option, both will be a waste of your money. Find a cheap mid-late 90's reliable beater and milk it until the new Evo comes out.
Feb 25, 2007, 09:11 PM
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The people here saying a EP3 SI is better than a Ralliart clearly haven't driven both of the cars. Or you're just some of the annoying ****** here who think that anything that isn't an Evo is crap. The Ralliart holds its own quite well in the NA 4 cyl market, and is by far a better car than the EP3.
To the OP, I wouldn't go with either option, both will be a waste of your money. Find a cheap mid-late 90's reliable beater and milk it until the new Evo comes out.
To the OP, I wouldn't go with either option, both will be a waste of your money. Find a cheap mid-late 90's reliable beater and milk it until the new Evo comes out.
Im sure the ralliart is a great economy car with a little grunt, and sure stock vs stock its prob faster, but saying its a better motor as far as mod ability, and tuner aftermarket is just plain stupid.
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... I can't believe I forgot about this thread, on to finish what I started...
Do not try to correct somebody spelling when your is worse. Actually, he's closer than you are to the actually word. Its punani.
Says the guy who never driven a ralliart to even compare it to an ep3 hatch. It's easy to talk out your *** when you never driven both cars. The Si is no more a sports car than the ralliart is, I have driven both, stock and modded and the ralliart pounds the ep3 hatch, easy. Ontop of that, you wouldnt lease a car, but this isnt a thread about you leasing, it's about the OTS leasing.
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The k20a3 in the civic si wouldn't bust a grape in fruit fight.
Reading is fundamental, huh? Did you try reading the OTS orignal post? Let me quote a little part for you:
To bad the OTS isn't looking to do anything, even remotely close to what you suggested. That right there is a waste of money and time that could be spent on the Evo X. Why do you think I suggest the ralliart? Cheaper than both cars, used and brand new. Faster than both cars (in stock form) and he could still get up to 1k back on trade in on the Evo X.
Again, you are getting waaaay off topic. This is about saving money on a cheaper car so he can get a faster car in a few years and here you are trying to play import garage, with your k20 motor and endless mods, save me the drama. Nobody cares about the TSX k24 bottom end, when the guy is trying to save money.
First off, where do you read your info? Do you need glasses or contacts? I never said the ralliart had a better tuner aftermarket than the ep3 hatch. Ontop of that, I said the 4g69 is a better motor mod vs. mod. Instead of looking like an idiot, next time read correctly what I type and stop putting words in my mouth.
Ralliart head up with the Ep3 hatch, straight mod for mod
Ralliart Intake > Ep3 Intake
Ralliart I/E > Ep3 I/E
Ralliart I/H/E > Ep3 I/H/E
Ralliart I/H/E/PB > Ep3 I/H/E/Reflash
Ralliart RRM Turbokit > Ep3 Revhard Turbokit and Greddy Turbokit
Now, lets get back to the topic. If I was the OTS lease the 2.5i.
Do not try to correct somebody spelling when your is worse. Actually, he's closer than you are to the actually word. Its punani.
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The k20a3 in the civic si wouldn't bust a grape in fruit fight.
Originally Posted by FastCoEvo
waiting to be unleashed. put a K24 bottom end on that thing slap a gt35r on it with twister manifold, and an exhaust, hondata....500whp is easily attainable. Or you could go with a 2.6 stroker bottom end with IPS cams, K20r intake manifold, header, exhaust, Hondata and make 300whp all motor. Its been done by more than one person.
When was the last time a 4G69 powered a car into the single digits all motor? I cant remember...then again that might be because it never happened.
Way to go bro. a 2.4 liter better have more tq than a 2.0. To bad that 2.4 is useless.
refer to my previous post if you want to know how a real 2.4 liter motor can make power.
Way to go bro. a 2.4 liter better have more tq than a 2.0. To bad that 2.4 is useless.
refer to my previous post if you want to know how a real 2.4 liter motor can make power.
Ralliart head up with the Ep3 hatch, straight mod for mod
Ralliart Intake > Ep3 Intake
Ralliart I/E > Ep3 I/E
Ralliart I/H/E > Ep3 I/H/E
Ralliart I/H/E/PB > Ep3 I/H/E/Reflash
Ralliart RRM Turbokit > Ep3 Revhard Turbokit and Greddy Turbokit
Now, lets get back to the topic. If I was the OTS lease the 2.5i.
Feb 27, 2007, 09:25 AM
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... I can't believe I forgot about this thread, on to finish what I started...
Do not try to correct somebody spelling when your is worse. Actually, he's closer than you are to the actually word. Its punani.
Says the guy who never driven a ralliart to even compare it to an ep3 hatch. It's easy to talk out your *** when you never driven both cars. The Si is no more a sports car than the ralliart is, I have driven both, stock and modded and the ralliart pounds the ep3 hatch, easy. Ontop of that, you wouldnt lease a car, but this isnt a thread about you leasing, it's about the OTS leasing.
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The k20a3 in the civic si wouldn't bust a grape in fruit fight.
Reading is fundamental, huh? Did you try reading the OTS orignal post? Let me quote a little part for you:
To bad the OTS isn't looking to do anything, even remotely close to what you suggested. That right there is a waste of money and time that could be spent on the Evo X. Why do you think I suggest the ralliart? Cheaper than both cars, used and brand new. Faster than both cars (in stock form) and he could still get up to 1k back on trade in on the Evo X.
Again, you are getting waaaay off topic. This is about saving money on a cheaper car so he can get a faster car in a few years and here you are trying to play import garage, with your k20 motor and endless mods, save me the drama. Nobody cares about the TSX k24 bottom end, when the guy is trying to save money.
First off, where do you read your info? Do you need glasses or contacts? I never said the ralliart had a better tuner aftermarket than the ep3 hatch. Ontop of that, I said the 4g69 is a better motor mod vs. mod. Instead of looking like an idiot, next time read correctly what I type and stop putting words in my mouth.
Ralliart head up with the Ep3 hatch, straight mod for mod
Ralliart Intake > Ep3 Intake
Ralliart I/E > Ep3 I/E
Ralliart I/H/E > Ep3 I/H/E
Ralliart I/H/E/PB > Ep3 I/H/E/Reflash
Ralliart RRM Turbokit > Ep3 Revhard Turbokit and Greddy Turbokit
Now, lets get back to the topic. If I was the OTS lease the 2.5i.
Do not try to correct somebody spelling when your is worse. Actually, he's closer than you are to the actually word. Its punani.
Says the guy who never driven a ralliart to even compare it to an ep3 hatch. It's easy to talk out your *** when you never driven both cars. The Si is no more a sports car than the ralliart is, I have driven both, stock and modded and the ralliart pounds the ep3 hatch, easy. Ontop of that, you wouldnt lease a car, but this isnt a thread about you leasing, it's about the OTS leasing.
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The k20a3 in the civic si wouldn't bust a grape in fruit fight.
Reading is fundamental, huh? Did you try reading the OTS orignal post? Let me quote a little part for you:
To bad the OTS isn't looking to do anything, even remotely close to what you suggested. That right there is a waste of money and time that could be spent on the Evo X. Why do you think I suggest the ralliart? Cheaper than both cars, used and brand new. Faster than both cars (in stock form) and he could still get up to 1k back on trade in on the Evo X.
Again, you are getting waaaay off topic. This is about saving money on a cheaper car so he can get a faster car in a few years and here you are trying to play import garage, with your k20 motor and endless mods, save me the drama. Nobody cares about the TSX k24 bottom end, when the guy is trying to save money.
First off, where do you read your info? Do you need glasses or contacts? I never said the ralliart had a better tuner aftermarket than the ep3 hatch. Ontop of that, I said the 4g69 is a better motor mod vs. mod. Instead of looking like an idiot, next time read correctly what I type and stop putting words in my mouth.
Ralliart head up with the Ep3 hatch, straight mod for mod
Ralliart Intake > Ep3 Intake
Ralliart I/E > Ep3 I/E
Ralliart I/H/E > Ep3 I/H/E
Ralliart I/H/E/PB > Ep3 I/H/E/Reflash
Ralliart RRM Turbokit > Ep3 Revhard Turbokit and Greddy Turbokit
Now, lets get back to the topic. If I was the OTS lease the 2.5i.
but your right I mean companies like Ariel use the 4G69 all of the time for their track cars because its a wildly superior motor.
Again when has the 4g69 Powered a car into the 9's all motor? Funny how like a ***** you pick and choose what you want to answer so it suits your purpose.You also want to blather on about how the orig poster asked for something specific. Guess what brain child. He didnt ask you or anyone else to throw in their incredibly useless opinion on a completely different car than what he originally asked about did he? No he didnt. So next time you want to type stupid **** like "reading is fundamental" bull****. Because your bringing up a topic that has nothing to do with the original posters intent, and you only make yourself look more and more like a moron.
So if the guy wants to save money...why buy a ralliart again? Civic Si gets better gas mileage, is twice as reliable, holds its value about 30 times better.....hmmm not to mention that if he does decide to put mods on it theres about a billion of them that can be had relatively cheap. Or he could lease a car for 3 years that will be under warrant, and not have any cares in the world.
No one in their right mind would use a 6000 greddy turbo kit on their Si, when there are like about a billion different companies like AFI, PeakBoost, Full Race.....need I go on? all of which will make way more power, cost less....etc etc etc.
And lastly. Im sure I can find a link to a webpage where someone made 270-300 hp all motor in their stock displacement K20. Still waiting for a 4g69 to do that, with its "superior" engineering.
Feb 27, 2007, 11:30 AM
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First off **** that SI, the whole car is whack i've driven both the SI and RA and the RA is better. I'm sure if the RA had the same aftermarket parts like the SI it would do the same if not better. Civics will always dominate the aftermarket so you can't really say that the 4G69 sux. The K20 in that SI is weak unless u throw money into it. PPL who say the RA sux either never driven it or like someone said b4 thinks "If it's not an Evo it ain't ****." RRM has their 4G69 boosting on stock internals, not alot of cars especially 4cyl can do that. Now as for the 07 Impreza, get it if u like it but personally i would get me a used WRX or GS-T and run it til the Evo X comes out. Also the Jetta is quick it has torque up the *** and i've seen one do 300HP to the wheels but parts, labor & maintenence is ridiculous so if you are tryin to save money make sure it is in very good condition and yo got hook ups b4 u buy. 
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I didn't realize Jason was considering selling his car. If the price was right I would let me ep3 go. Check out ephatch, k-series, i-vtec, crsx for more pics under the same username
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