Ferrari F430 Scuderia
Jul 24, 2007, 08:48 AM
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Eventhough this is a race car underneath the skin but I'm 100% sure that it's going to be street legal cars as well like the Porsche GT3 RS. It's going to need a fuel gauge. But who would measure fuel level with bar. Bar is for pressure. Kind of weird.
Jul 24, 2007, 08:50 AM
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This car is similar to the 360 Challenge Stradale which was a stripped out 360 with stronger engine, reworked aero and suspension.
I don't think it's sad that people can buy these cars and don't race them. Not counting the cost it's quite impressive that a few companies are willing to take the technology from their race cars and building something that "joe-blow" can buy.
The same can be said for Mitsubishi. We wouldn't have the Evo if it wasn't for homologation rules in the WRC.
I don't think it's sad that people can buy these cars and don't race them. Not counting the cost it's quite impressive that a few companies are willing to take the technology from their race cars and building something that "joe-blow" can buy.
The same can be said for Mitsubishi. We wouldn't have the Evo if it wasn't for homologation rules in the WRC.
Jul 24, 2007, 08:54 AM
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Jul 24, 2007, 09:15 AM
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If Mitsubishi brought a stripped Evo with no rear seat, a full roll cage, a highly tuned engine, a rally-ready suspension, and a slew of weight reduction items... then your comparison might hold some weight. The Evo, in current guise, bears little resemblance functionally to the rally cars of yore.
Jul 24, 2007, 09:22 AM
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LOL...that is a very simplistic statement. Of course they bear little resemblance. They have to meet all the various country's crash and testing standards. Also they require the comfort and ease of use that the general population requires for daily driving. Mitsubishi couldn't afford to try and sell the general populace a rally-ready vehicle. The cost would be tremendous and in the grand scheme of capitalism they would be worse off.
My comparison does hold weight. The Evo would not be ours to drive if it weren't for the homologation rules. And the Ferrari Scuderia, while a high-performance machine, still has to conform to DOT specs and crash ratings. It may be a potent machine, but it still is no Formula car.
My comparison does hold weight. The Evo would not be ours to drive if it weren't for the homologation rules. And the Ferrari Scuderia, while a high-performance machine, still has to conform to DOT specs and crash ratings. It may be a potent machine, but it still is no Formula car.
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Jul 24, 2007, 09:58 AM
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The "bar" gauge is indeed oil pressure as seen HERE.
I believe the green/yellow bars on the lower right dash are the gas gauge but I can't find any pics to say otherwise.
I believe the green/yellow bars on the lower right dash are the gas gauge but I can't find any pics to say otherwise.
Jul 24, 2007, 10:05 AM
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The Enzo is still holding value in the 1.3-.4 million dollar range. F-50's and F40's are still bringing huge numbers aswell, they are 10 and 20 year old cars respectively.
If you start getting into classics, you better start selling your first born...
Jul 25, 2007, 08:14 AM
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Ferrari's for the most part gain value while they are still in production. When the F430 came out, the value of the 360 dropped dramatically. The F430 in coupe form is still going for nearly 80K more than sticker, and around 100K in the spider form. When the replacement for the F430 is released, the value will likely drop below sticker.
The Enzo is still holding value in the 1.3-.4 million dollar range. F-50's and F40's are still bringing huge numbers aswell, they are 10 and 20 year old cars respectively.
If you start getting into classics, you better start selling your first born...
The Enzo is still holding value in the 1.3-.4 million dollar range. F-50's and F40's are still bringing huge numbers aswell, they are 10 and 20 year old cars respectively.
If you start getting into classics, you better start selling your first born...
For comparison, a reasonable investment of that 400,000 would yield about 1.5 million today. Of course, the people buying F40s already have their 1.5 million in the bank.
Jul 25, 2007, 09:23 AM
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The F40 was $400,000 new in 1987 (that's about $700k in today's money) and are selling for $300-450k now. Many people paid a lot more than $400k, too. The F50 went for $480k in 1995 (about $675k in today's money) and sell for $400-500k. Hardly good investments.
For comparison, a reasonable investment of that 400,000 would yield about 1.5 million today. Of course, the people buying F40s already have their 1.5 million in the bank.
For comparison, a reasonable investment of that 400,000 would yield about 1.5 million today. Of course, the people buying F40s already have their 1.5 million in the bank.
Hardly a loss when you factor in the USE of a Machine. Me-thinks you need a ride in a Ferrari, the costs melt away once you hear that engine not and powerful surge and precision. Many other Farrari's have SKYROCKETED in Value, look at the Enzo, worth over a MILLION and is was sold for $650K. The F40 is worth more then that as well, a good condition one that wasn't tracked Vs. a beat one. The F40 was a popular Track car and a lot have lead a hard life. F50 was considered a Failure and if it is worth the same, wow, not bad.
Jul 25, 2007, 10:08 AM
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If I had the means I'd buy an F car (or ten) and I'd drive it/them. My point was that using cars as an investment is stupid. Either you have an expensive, easy to steal, hard to replace object that appreciates slowly (if at all) against inflation, or you have a really fun toy. If you want to make money, invest in real investments, if you want to enjoy driving, buy a Ferrari or whatever. Skimafia used the F40 and F50 as examples of "good" investments yet both would result in significant financial losses when viewed as investments. The Enzo, short term, is faring better, just like the newest V8 series does well in the short term. When the F70 comes out, the Enzo will no longer be top dog and will probably slip in value.
Short form for the reading challenged: Sports cars are bad investments but really fun to drive.
Short form for the reading challenged: Sports cars are bad investments but really fun to drive.
