Evo X vs. Evo VIII and IX
Oct 8, 2010, 01:17 PM
#2703
My car currently is car the shop. I skipped some races to have enough budget to get the car on gravel with most suitable set up. Just got retuned one European tuner from the eu, and now feels like an evo again.
/example instead the 9 Psi boost / base run before tune/ im running 29 psi /I'm planning to make some write up about the AST suspension i have /incredible/ and other stuff.
Now i definitely will do .
Thanks Again ROb
here is couple of more :
this is a go around the car short video , you can see a little bit inside out side and hear the car idle ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRhmnA9Le2o
Thanks for look at them
Cheers ROb
Last edited by Robevo RS; Oct 8, 2010 at 01:24 PM.
Oct 8, 2010, 01:44 PM
#2704
Thank you guys! Makes me proud when you guys comment on it like this
My car currently is car the shop. I skipped some races to have enough budget to get the car on gravel with most suitable set up. Just got retuned one European tuner from the eu, and now feels like an evo again. /example instead the 9 Psi boost / base run before tune/ im running 29 psi /
I'm planning to make some write up about the AST suspension i have /incredible/ and other stuff.
Now i definitely will do .
Thanks Again ROb
here is couple of more :
this is a go around the car short video , you can see a little bit inside out side and hear the car idle ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRhmnA9Le2o
Thanks for look at them
Cheers ROb
My car currently is car the shop. I skipped some races to have enough budget to get the car on gravel with most suitable set up. Just got retuned one European tuner from the eu, and now feels like an evo again.
/example instead the 9 Psi boost / base run before tune/ im running 29 psi /I'm planning to make some write up about the AST suspension i have /incredible/ and other stuff.
Now i definitely will do .
Thanks Again ROb
here is couple of more :
this is a go around the car short video , you can see a little bit inside out side and hear the car idle ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRhmnA9Le2o
Thanks for look at them
Cheers ROb
Oct 9, 2010, 01:05 AM
#2705
Evolving Member
Whatever else is going on with my car, the fact remains that it would be easier to diagnose if there were less computers trying to drive the car for me.
Oct 9, 2010, 01:14 AM
#2706
So, you were trying to convince me my car's behavior was driver error, when you know even less about autocross than I do. That's good to know.
Whatever else is going on with my car, the fact remains that it would be easier to diagnose if there were less computers trying to drive the car for me.
Whatever else is going on with my car, the fact remains that it would be easier to diagnose if there were less computers trying to drive the car for me.
Your car has an issue, you need to get that issue resolved. That's all there is to it. Until that issue is resolved, you won't know the true ability of that car.
It's quite apparent the way you described what you were seeing, something is truly wrong. I definitely suggest you get that fixed before you do any more autox. Believe me, you don't want to have to replace an ACD because of neglect.
Oct 9, 2010, 04:57 AM
#2708
So, you were trying to convince me my car's behavior was driver error, when you know even less about autocross than I do. That's good to know.
Whatever else is going on with my car, the fact remains that it would be easier to diagnose if there were less computers trying to drive the car for me.
Whatever else is going on with my car, the fact remains that it would be easier to diagnose if there were less computers trying to drive the car for me.
whole day standing , probably 2-3 minutes drive time. Basically you pay $50 and then you are standing in the parking lot to work for the organization who actually hold it.
First i thought i jumped into a wrong organization event - second happened a same thing. /NY-NJ/ That is not racing and and i do not pay to work for someone. Im not that rich.
FYI. i did many many slalom or SS slalom in my country . I started a VW GTI and i did long until we actually could get into a rally. Since my town i came from regularly has it , sometimes we did with our practice car for fun, later too /until i came out here/.
You pay more there for a Slalom race and still cheap, reachable everyone, but you are running it saturday practice day - sunday race... So you get the idea.
Your car has over TQ issues and you interpreted it as a drive train issue, after we try to help and explain what can be a problem since that is most likely. Besides you explained where its happenning. Now that is two different issue . WHy ? We explained that for you . Also when you got the same thing in straight line that is hardly the AYC and so issue . You still think its a drive train issue.
SO sorry i cant help for you anymore. Feels to me explaining the difference between the red and green to a blind person.
Cheers Rob
Last edited by Robevo RS; Oct 9, 2010 at 04:59 AM.
Oct 9, 2010, 05:37 AM
#2709
i did twice in the states, since we call it EU a Slalom race. A reason i stop doing it here:
whole day standing , probably 2-3 minutes drive time. Basically you pay $50 and then you are standing in the parking lot to work for the organization who actually hold it.
First i thought i jumped into a wrong organization event - second happened a same thing. /NY-NJ/ That is not racing and and i do not pay to work for someone. Im not that rich.
FYI. i did many many slalom or SS slalom in my country . I started a VW GTI and i did long until we actually could get into a rally. Since my town i came from regularly has it , sometimes we did with our practice car for fun, later too /until i came out here/.
You pay more there for a Slalom race and still cheap, reachable everyone, but you are running it saturday practice day - sunday race... So you get the idea.
Your car has over TQ issues and you interpreted it as a drive train issue, after we try to help and explain what can be a problem since that is most likely. Besides you explained where its happenning. Now that is two different issue . WHy ? We explained that for you . Also when you got the same thing in straight line that is hardly the AYC and so issue . You still think its a drive train issue.
SO sorry i cant help for you anymore. Feels to me explaining the difference between the red and green to a blind person.
Cheers Rob
whole day standing , probably 2-3 minutes drive time. Basically you pay $50 and then you are standing in the parking lot to work for the organization who actually hold it.
First i thought i jumped into a wrong organization event - second happened a same thing. /NY-NJ/ That is not racing and and i do not pay to work for someone. Im not that rich.
FYI. i did many many slalom or SS slalom in my country . I started a VW GTI and i did long until we actually could get into a rally. Since my town i came from regularly has it , sometimes we did with our practice car for fun, later too /until i came out here/.
You pay more there for a Slalom race and still cheap, reachable everyone, but you are running it saturday practice day - sunday race... So you get the idea.
Your car has over TQ issues and you interpreted it as a drive train issue, after we try to help and explain what can be a problem since that is most likely. Besides you explained where its happenning. Now that is two different issue . WHy ? We explained that for you . Also when you got the same thing in straight line that is hardly the AYC and so issue . You still think its a drive train issue.
SO sorry i cant help for you anymore. Feels to me explaining the difference between the red and green to a blind person.
Cheers Rob
Oct 9, 2010, 01:33 PM
#2710
So, you were trying to convince me my car's behavior was driver error, when you know even less about autocross than I do. That's good to know.
Whatever else is going on with my car, the fact remains that it would be easier to diagnose if there were less computers trying to drive the car for me.
Whatever else is going on with my car, the fact remains that it would be easier to diagnose if there were less computers trying to drive the car for me.
- car was on stock suspension set up etc. despite the heavier weight, which i barely noticed (only by a slightly "muted" feeling of acceleration), the handling of the car felt great.
- the car doesn't feel like the front end will wash out as much as the older cars do. that's not to say that it doesnt understeer - we had a fairly quick course this time around and the car plowed through a few cones trying to turn - but it was really really weird because it didn't feel like the car was understeering, even when it was lol
- the rear end feels like it wants to give the car some rotation/slip upon braking - i was thinking maybe this is what that other evo x driver was referring to. This was the most stand out difference to me from the old cars. if you drive an r35 in gt5 prologue and the wheel is turned and you SLAM on the brakes, the rear end literally comes around - it felt like the X would do the same upon braking. i was going to start a thread asking what ayc does upon braking - while it's unsettling at first i can definitely see some "uses" for it
- finally, in terms of corner exit behavior on throttle... i actually think i get MORE rotation in my IX with the cusco. though the X did feel quite good.
- Overall, the X felt great. The car feels a lot more settled dynamically. A very different experience from the older cars, yet strangely similar
In regards to that guy talking about his X suddenly rotating mid corner.. the car is either giving you some slip angle in the corners and you are unused to it, or the ayc is doing something weird and may be malfunctioning (if it really is whipping the back end around, which i doubt). this is coming from a guy who is a fan of mechanical setups etc over electronic driver aids
Oct 9, 2010, 01:39 PM
#2712
honestly the car felt fantastic - especially for being on an auto-x which i wouldnt necessarily jump and say is the X's biggest strength, though we did set the course up to have more sweepers and high speed stuff rather than really really tight technical stuff.
Oct 9, 2010, 02:50 PM
#2713
The only time I have spun my X was when it was new, I was testing the limits, finally found them by going in a bit too hot and lifted.
You have to trust the SAYC to do its thing. But the oversteer feeling is a little unnatural, if you lift while it is transferring at speed deep into a corner, you'll be hosed.
I never had a trouble with any Evo at exit, but the CT9As understeer more at entry. I'd agree they are faster at exit, lighter = faster at same power levels.
You have to trust the SAYC to do its thing. But the oversteer feeling is a little unnatural, if you lift while it is transferring at speed deep into a corner, you'll be hosed.
I never had a trouble with any Evo at exit, but the CT9As understeer more at entry. I'd agree they are faster at exit, lighter = faster at same power levels.
Oct 9, 2010, 02:58 PM
#2714
The only time I have spun my X was when it was new, I was testing the limits, finally found them by going in a bit too hot and lifted.
You have to trust the SAYC to do its thing. But the oversteer feeling is a little unnatural, if you lift while it is transferring at speed deep into a corner, you'll be hosed.
I never had a trouble with any Evo at exit, but the CT9As understeer more at entry. I'd agree they are faster at exit, lighter = faster at same power levels.
You have to trust the SAYC to do its thing. But the oversteer feeling is a little unnatural, if you lift while it is transferring at speed deep into a corner, you'll be hosed.
I never had a trouble with any Evo at exit, but the CT9As understeer more at entry. I'd agree they are faster at exit, lighter = faster at same power levels.
i definitely see the older cars understeering on corner entry more. the X gives a very confident feeling about being able to enter any turn - even when it cant - but the limit there is definitely higher. my car definitely used to understeer on corner exit too though, depending on the exact situation and tire grip. the arc off the line would just go way wide. now that that's fixed, i'm going to need to start thinking about what i can do to increase corner entry ability.
Oct 9, 2010, 03:09 PM
#2715
lol i have a similar story, and a total noob move im ashamed to say - entering an on ramp at a really, really high speed (too high to post), i felt the rear tires starting to slide (cold november, summer tires) - not only did i LIFT, but i BRAKED too, which is about the LAST thing you want to do in the situtation. of course I did a complete 180 into a ditch - passenger side view mirror blown off, and the right side fender ruined - that's how closely i missed the tree. the rest of the car was unscathed, and i luckily (praise God) was able to drive the car home completley unharmed.
i definitely see the older cars understeering on corner entry more. the X gives a very confident feeling about being able to enter any turn - even when it cant - but the limit there is definitely higher. my car definitely used to understeer on corner exit too though, depending on the exact situation and tire grip. the arc off the line would just go way wide. now that that's fixed, i'm going to need to start thinking about what i can do to increase corner entry ability.
i definitely see the older cars understeering on corner entry more. the X gives a very confident feeling about being able to enter any turn - even when it cant - but the limit there is definitely higher. my car definitely used to understeer on corner exit too though, depending on the exact situation and tire grip. the arc off the line would just go way wide. now that that's fixed, i'm going to need to start thinking about what i can do to increase corner entry ability.
Kyooch. Is this gonna become the official bonehead confessions thread? I see your side view mirror and fender, and raise you a mailbox: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6825474-post3898.html