Robevo RS

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oh im sorry... so if the X materials are much cheaper every way and uncomfotable then the Evo 8, how come the X is less raw and the same time 8 is more comfortable?...
I think if you looking unbiased opinion you find it in your own post.
Rob

Robevo RS

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cool where it s belongs, and the blind can find all they answeres here without posting LOL

Drew_FL

Orly? That all makes no sense in a argument. Because a lotus doesn't have a 4g63, that makes it less "raw" than a IX?

2nd, X's have a button to turn off the radio to listen to the things you posted.. IX's have radios too man.

You are full of ignorance and bias :/

Dont get me wrong, but in a world of VALID facts, I would think the VIII,IX>X.

Robevo RS

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so i can post this again for those who say the X is not as good as the IX or earlier models, here is for them some insight.
Just a last WRC event in Wales , the PWRC category/production WRC/ where many CT9A runs and some 6 and so/ but they are dying out/ the first 3 places is swiped by the X

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Wales PWRC:
1. Tänak/Sikk Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X 3:38:31,0
2. Araújo/Ramalho Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X +3:15,8
3. Paddon/Kennard Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X +4:27,9 "

The US and Canadian Champion is a Evo X. And so on so forth. Where also many CT9A and older versions running....



And this is "just" rally/ where the Evo heritage died out with a X.... remember?/ , we all know how the X does in TA too.

And there is a twist in here. There is a completely new platform with only 2 year back ground the X. Realisticly 1 year racing developmant since they are champs in 2010. And wins over the 10+ years development, tested - refind more lighter and power full set upped cars /earlier Evo's/. How do you explaint that? Just step back sit down and think. Let the emotion not run over you...
these are facts , no forum talks , from who knows who.

Rob

GST Motorsports

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Just FYI, and please don't take this the wrong way.... I have a hard time understanding some of your points sometimes (most of the time) so I'm just trying to help.

I think you meant "don't let your emotions over run you..." which when put the correct way, pertains to you as well...

Btw I *never* said *anything* about performance differences between the cars whatsoever. The *only* things I was stating was *material* differences.

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- Bryan

compscibOi

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The highest horsepower and fastest drag, road racing and time attack times come from an Evo VIII / IX, not an Evo X...


RAW....



And to answer the question. The Evo VIII and IX MR is stupid and pointless. MR bilstein, 6 speed tranny... alcantara suede seats. Stupid.

I run my STOCK radio in my Evo IX and rarely use it. This is my race car. You want a luxury car, go buy a Lexus or a BMW or a Infinity.


IX > X.

NotAnEvoOwner

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Thats also due to years and years of R&D on the Evo 8/9's. Thats like saying my 12 year old is better at everything than your 6 year old. I dont even think theres an upgraded Intake Manifold for the X's yet.

Also, there are drag cars that put the Evo 8/9 to shame as well as the X. Look at AMS GT-R, fill interior and it runs 9's.

kyoo

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it's kind of hard to make conclusions like that.. also, the platform has been out for 3+ years now, not 1 year racing development.

all the tried and true methods of tuning cars have been out since the beginning of racing. evo x is not racing with 1-3 years of knowledge... it's racing with knowledge compiled since the history of rallying.. turbos, 4wd, tires, etc etc...

And with tuning, tried and true methods (at least in US) have started since 03 evo.. timing, more boost, increased exhaust flow, suspension tweaks etc... name one of those that the evo X doesn't use...

with that said, i'm sure Xs are rallying champs - but you can't compare with different shops, different drivers like that.. obviously if shops are racing brand new xs and turning them into rally cars they've got bigger budgets etc.

for example i could mention redline time attack too, where the X is no longer dominating like it once was. Records made from the Gates TA car are being broken this year by older cars.. even the old 94-99 subaru impreza.. street tire class was won by an evo 7, faster than two Xs.. that doesn't mean i can use that as evidence that 7 is faster than X

like i said, i think you know how i feel - x is a great great car and i dont doubt that it is a faster rally car than older evos

ps, i have just the core of the rear lsd.. let me know if you can use that in the X's housing or if you need a whole new set up since same mechanicals fit in the ct9a and X. anyway let me know if that will work, i can let it go cheap for an old friend

Robevo RS

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Cool Bryan. fact i prefer people to help me to correct my english. Many times i do offend people without my will, just because my english. Thanks to not take me a wrong way. Actually im the typical case of, "i do not know better".
If i would, probably i would pick nicer words to explain myself.

Rob

Robevo RS

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"ps, i have just the core of the rear lsd.. let me know if you can use that in the X's housing or if you need a whole new set up since same mechanicals fit in the ct9a and X. anyway let me know if that will work, i can let it go cheap for an old friend"
cool most likelly I need that, I will Pme you asap i find it out!


"it's kind of hard to make conclusions like that.. also, the platform has been out for 3+ years now, not 1 year racing development"
i dont know how come out the 3 years. Most of all the racing development comes from racing. I dont recall Evo in the rally in 07...
They started to build the X's around mid 08, but they were just a first steps as a development started. Fact wasnt even parts to start to experimenting which is better... All the old knowledge about the earlier evos is out of the window. Since this car doesnt even have a speed reading wire to connect my gear indicator or my terra trip. LOL
So might as well you can start over with a subaru instead.
The X is night and day difference vs the earlier versions. Completely different car.
So as we speek end of the 2010 season, were they became a champ cars, between 08 and 2010 race season is only 1 year development . Which is 09. You can progress in the racing year, but that will not make you champ in that year for sure. You have to have a base car developed to start the race year if you win the championship. The base knowledge comes between 08 and 09, based on my brainstorm here LOL.
That s about my "probably a year experience" explanation.

"And with tuning, tried and true methods (at least in US) have started since 03 evo.. timing, more boost, increased exhaust flow, suspension tweaks etc... name one of those that the evo X doesn't use..." tuning is a PART of the game. As its stands today , i needed a guy from EU to tune my car right, since he had tuned countless rally evo X's. No matter how good you are if you dont go thru the try and error stage. Beside how you tune a engine if you dont know really the limits? Hope?
Any other issue like drive train brakes etc is jut an extra for the mixture. And i can go on and on... You cant even fit the ct9a brakes on the X as an example /not like before.../


"with that said, i'm sure Xs are rallying champs - but you can't compare with different shops, different drivers like that.. obviously if shops are racing brand new xs and turning them into rally cars they've got bigger budgets etc."
belive me when im saying this, those who runs those events, i put them up as an example , there is no budget problems which car could you start with, or develop.
Like ACP sponsored by NOS etc. Or The PWRC cars, all big teams .
There is some more adventerues race teams and some "play safe" mentality ones. Those once's stayed with the CT9A and wait how the X will perform. Now i can tell you , you will be surpised how much X will run soon in rally LOL


"for example i could mention redline time attack too, where the X is no longer dominating like it once was. Records made from the Gates TA car are being broken this year by older cars.. even the old 94-99 subaru impreza.. street tire class was won by an evo 7, faster than two Xs.. that doesn't mean i can use that as evidence that 7 is faster than X"
i dont follow RT and those, but as far as i know untill RG stepped to the unlimted class he was a champ. Meaning in the closer to stock car, and not unlimited budget racing, the X over runned the older versions. And we talking about Evos not overall championship- like you mentioned Subaru.
So as soon as you go unlimited class, all gloves off. You can't make a parallel between those cars and the stock ones. Unless its a head lights, which most of them doesnt even have LOl

That is my opinion of course. So dont get offended and raise the dif price on me

kyoo

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Sure - LSD Core pics are in my sig if you want to take a look, PM me when u find out

I meant a more general sense about improvement of cars - methods of tuning get better tires get better on and on.. I would assume tire technology today is better than from ten years ago etc etc.

There is a trial an error stage for tuning cars but the basic formula for creating power are the same as the ones I mentioned, and those methods go for pretty much every turbocharged engine, with differences in each car tweaking obviously. So it's not like they start from complete scratch and have NO idea what to do. They don't think "will using a 1" exhaust pipe work better for making power?? we should test it since it's a brand new car." The formulas are there. It's not about going from trying IX brakes on X - they already know newer brake technology, bigger brakes, calipers etc. They didn't think "will smaller brake with less surface area work better??" etc etc etc.

I just mentioned RT as an example - his records from the class before (not unlimited class) are being broken by older cars in that class, but that doesn't make the older cars better. Right now it is the ct9as that dominate the street class, and they've broken many of RG's record from the street class. He overran the older cars that were competing that year - hard to say if he would beat the current older cars that are beating his old records, but its safe to say that no other X is doing what he did.

Anyway my only point is that you can't really just compare different shops and racecars to make a definitive conclusion about any one car. I don't think the GC impreza is the best impreza because it's winning this year (but maybe it is lol it's my favorite gen anyway used to own one).

journeymansteve

Sounds right to me. You should volunteer to be a mod

UT_Evo

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Wow, this must have gone way far off base to get moved in to here... What started out as an OP wanting a definition of "raw" turned in to an Evo vs Evo debate... Fail Evo Community.

PS My STi is better. So your arguments are rendered invalid. Welcome to the internets.

Oh yeah, and unsubscribed. Glad the mods moved it, but really all the off topic posts should have been removed.

compscibOi

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Right. Partially my point. This is what I am saying.. in due time and process, maybe the 4B11T will meet or exceed what the 4G63 has and can do...


Just like new members with 56 posts have less time than those with 2,000+ I'm not saying old dogs can't teach new dogs tricks, just that is one side.

Some say the best Evo was the TME VII... I wonder why. Because it was RAW. No fancy gizmo's, creature comforts, navigation etc... just get in, drive that thing like you stole it.


AMS has a fast drag car as well. Now you're just comparing apples to oranges as the GTR is a completely different car with 2 more cylinders and a second turbo...

NotAnEvoOwner

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I agree with you as far as the GT-R thing, just throwing that out there.

Personally, I dont understand the hatred amongst Evo 8/9 drivers to Evo X. drivers. Ya its a new car that May have more creature comforts, but its also a lot more stiff as well. Both are great cars and i've driven both. I have respect for each car and what they can accomplish. I just dont get why there is such bias on the forums.