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Porsche 911 Turbo or GT3?
Jan 7, 2004, 03:22 PM
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I am a Porsche Technician and have driven all three. My choice would be the GT3 then GT2 and finally the Turbo. The GT3 and the GT2 are not that much stiffer than the EVO. Actually both of them feel alot better than the EVO, shock and spring damping on the Porsche are much better.
As for the brakes, Porsche never intended the ceramic rotors to be street friendly, even stated in the manual. The brake performance must be experienced to believe. They are nosiy as hell but they stop like no other production brake system. The rotors are designed to last over 100,000 miles, they take six months each to make and FOUR of the ceramic rotors lay on top of each other will weigh the same as ONE cast iron rotor of the same size. State of the art engineering does not come cheap.
The GT3 and GT2 are pure drivers cars with only sport ABS and a LSD as drivers aids. The GT3 will hit 60 in 4.2 seconds and the GT2 will do it in 3.6 seconds. Both cars are low 11 second cars stock and pull 1.0 g.
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Oh by the way, I haven driven the GT3 RS, unbelievable performace for a NA flat six (450 horsepower in a 2400lb chassis).
As for the brakes, Porsche never intended the ceramic rotors to be street friendly, even stated in the manual. The brake performance must be experienced to believe. They are nosiy as hell but they stop like no other production brake system. The rotors are designed to last over 100,000 miles, they take six months each to make and FOUR of the ceramic rotors lay on top of each other will weigh the same as ONE cast iron rotor of the same size. State of the art engineering does not come cheap.
The GT3 and GT2 are pure drivers cars with only sport ABS and a LSD as drivers aids. The GT3 will hit 60 in 4.2 seconds and the GT2 will do it in 3.6 seconds. Both cars are low 11 second cars stock and pull 1.0 g.
Winston
Oh by the way, I haven driven the GT3 RS, unbelievable performace for a NA flat six (450 horsepower in a 2400lb chassis).
Jan 7, 2004, 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by s4awd
Club Sport package is BS. I'll take the GT3 RSR thank you very much!.
Club Sport package is BS. I'll take the GT3 RSR thank you very much!.
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Jan 7, 2004, 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Chris in HB
Ah, but not street legal...
Ah, but not street legal...
Jan 7, 2004, 03:49 PM
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Sell the X5 and live the dream!! I am saving now for a 2007 Skyline GT-R. If it ends up sucking, I will look for a used 2004 GT3 (preferably from some rich old guy who didn't know what he got himself into 
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Jan 7, 2004, 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by s4awd
True true. I have about $7,000 in my Porsche fund since it was incepted in 1994. I still can't even afford those damn ceramic brakes, nevermind the whole car.
True true. I have about $7,000 in my Porsche fund since it was incepted in 1994. I still can't even afford those damn ceramic brakes, nevermind the whole car.
You could buy a brand new EVO with that kind of money!Winston
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Jan 7, 2004, 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Chris in HB
Sell the X5 and live the dream!! I am saving now for a 2007 Skyline GT-R. If it ends up sucking, I will look for a used 2004 GT3 (preferably from some rich old guy who didn't know what he got himself into ).
Sell the X5 and live the dream!! I am saving now for a 2007 Skyline GT-R. If it ends up sucking, I will look for a used 2004 GT3 (preferably from some rich old guy who didn't know what he got himself into
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Jan 7, 2004, 04:15 PM
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Ah, the joy of being single... LOL. Well I hope it happens for you one day!
Back on topic - another consideration of truly owning a Turbo vs. GT3: imagine the long-term service costs. The Turbo has a lot of electronic gadgets, plus the turbos. This equates to monstrous servicing costs. For the GT3, the biggest expense would be a new engine, but that would be unlikely. The most expensive consumable for both would probably be the brakes/pads.
Back on topic - another consideration of truly owning a Turbo vs. GT3: imagine the long-term service costs. The Turbo has a lot of electronic gadgets, plus the turbos. This equates to monstrous servicing costs. For the GT3, the biggest expense would be a new engine, but that would be unlikely. The most expensive consumable for both would probably be the brakes/pads.
Jan 8, 2004, 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by WINSTON
I am a Porsche Technician and have driven all three. My choice would be the GT3 then GT2 and finally the Turbo. The GT3 and the GT2 are not that much stiffer than the EVO. Actually both of them feel alot better than the EVO, shock and spring damping on the Porsche are much better.
As for the brakes, Porsche never intended the ceramic rotors to be street friendly, even stated in the manual. The brake performance must be experienced to believe. They are nosiy as hell but they stop like no other production brake system. The rotors are designed to last over 100,000 miles, they take six months each to make and FOUR of the ceramic rotors lay on top of each other will weigh the same as ONE cast iron rotor of the same size. State of the art engineering does not come cheap.
The GT3 and GT2 are pure drivers cars with only sport ABS and a LSD as drivers aids. The GT3 will hit 60 in 4.2 seconds and the GT2 will do it in 3.6 seconds. Both cars are low 11 second cars stock and pull 1.0 g.
Winston
Oh by the way, I haven driven the GT3 RS, unbelievable performace for a NA flat six (450 horsepower in a 2400lb chassis).
I am a Porsche Technician and have driven all three. My choice would be the GT3 then GT2 and finally the Turbo. The GT3 and the GT2 are not that much stiffer than the EVO. Actually both of them feel alot better than the EVO, shock and spring damping on the Porsche are much better.
As for the brakes, Porsche never intended the ceramic rotors to be street friendly, even stated in the manual. The brake performance must be experienced to believe. They are nosiy as hell but they stop like no other production brake system. The rotors are designed to last over 100,000 miles, they take six months each to make and FOUR of the ceramic rotors lay on top of each other will weigh the same as ONE cast iron rotor of the same size. State of the art engineering does not come cheap.
The GT3 and GT2 are pure drivers cars with only sport ABS and a LSD as drivers aids. The GT3 will hit 60 in 4.2 seconds and the GT2 will do it in 3.6 seconds. Both cars are low 11 second cars stock and pull 1.0 g.
Winston
Oh by the way, I haven driven the GT3 RS, unbelievable performace for a NA flat six (450 horsepower in a 2400lb chassis).
I saw the Road and Track show on the Speed Channel this week and the numbers they got for the GT3 and the others are as follows(based on memory here..so I may be a bit off):
Slalom Skidpad Braking 60-0 0-60 1/4 Mile
RX8 65.4 .88 114 Ft. 5.9 14.5@95.4
STI 68.4 .88 111 Ft. 4.9 13.3 @ 103
ZRdstr 67.2 .88 120 Ft. 5.9 ??????
911 GT3 68.7 .92 119 Ft. 4.2 12.4@113.8
5 Series 64.1 .86 119 Ft. 7.2 15.4
Jan 8, 2004, 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by revhappy
I saw the Road and Track show on the Speed Channel this week and the numbers they got for the GT3 and the others are as follows(based on memory here..so I may be a bit off):
Slalom Skidpad Braking 60-0 0-60 1/4 Mile
RX8 65.4 .88 114 Ft. 5.9 14.5@95.4
STI 68.4 .88 111 Ft. 4.9 13.3 @ 103
ZRdstr 67.2 .88 120 Ft. 5.9 ??????
911 GT3 68.7 .92 119 Ft. 4.2 12.4@113.8
5 Series 64.1 .86 119 Ft. 7.2 15.4
I saw the Road and Track show on the Speed Channel this week and the numbers they got for the GT3 and the others are as follows(based on memory here..so I may be a bit off):
Slalom Skidpad Braking 60-0 0-60 1/4 Mile
RX8 65.4 .88 114 Ft. 5.9 14.5@95.4
STI 68.4 .88 111 Ft. 4.9 13.3 @ 103
ZRdstr 67.2 .88 120 Ft. 5.9 ??????
911 GT3 68.7 .92 119 Ft. 4.2 12.4@113.8
5 Series 64.1 .86 119 Ft. 7.2 15.4
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Jan 8, 2004, 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by WINSTON
Sorry, low 12 seconds.
Winston
Sorry, low 12 seconds.
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Jan 8, 2004, 08:30 AM
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I remember watching a Best Motoring DVD once where there was a EVO and GT3 battle. The GT3 was an older model and the EVO where all VII's. They ran three battles. The first was both cars where stock, it was a close match but the GT3 was a bit quicker. The second was with a stock GT3 and a slightly modified EVO (better suspension and more power), the EVO just destroyed the Porsche with about $5,000 in mods. The last was with a GT3 cup race car and the Puma EVO Group N car (very limited in power mods). Again the EVO was more than a match for the Porsche.
Condsidering that the GT3 cost about $99,900 msrp, you could easily make a EVO simply destroy a stock GT3, isn't that the reason why we all bought and love the EVO anyways? I would still have one in my garage if money was not an issue!
Winston
Condsidering that the GT3 cost about $99,900 msrp, you could easily make a EVO simply destroy a stock GT3, isn't that the reason why we all bought and love the EVO anyways? I would still have one in my garage if money was not an issue!
Winston