The 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1
Apr 25, 2012, 07:05 AM
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There's too much emphasis on numbers here. I have a number for you... 7:41.27. That's how fast it did the Nurburgring. Chevy already stated it wouldn't win a drag race with the GT500, but it would leave the ford in it's dust on a road course. I'd be interested in seeing it, but with a 'ring time that is less than a second off the Ford GT and faster than the Porsche GT3, I think the Ford might have some catching up to do.
I also happened to ride in one on Sunday, and it would smash my C5 Z06 if it were still stock.
Apr 25, 2012, 04:35 PM
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There's too much emphasis on numbers here. I have a number for you... 7:41.27. That's how fast it did the Nurburgring. Chevy already stated it wouldn't win a drag race with the GT500, but it would leave the ford in it's dust on a road course. I'd be interested in seeing it, but with a 'ring time that is less than a second off the Ford GT and faster than the Porsche GT3, I think the Ford might have some catching up to do.
I also happened to ride in one on Sunday, and it would smash my C5 Z06 if it were still stock.
I also happened to ride in one on Sunday, and it would smash my C5 Z06 if it were still stock.
Apr 25, 2012, 06:52 PM
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There's too much emphasis on numbers here. I have a number for you... 7:41.27. That's how fast it did the Nurburgring. Chevy already stated it wouldn't win a drag race with the GT500, but it would leave the ford in it's dust on a road course. I'd be interested in seeing it, but with a 'ring time that is less than a second off the Ford GT and faster than the Porsche GT3, I think the Ford might have some catching up to do.
I also happened to ride in one on Sunday, and it would smash my C5 Z06 if it were still stock.
I also happened to ride in one on Sunday, and it would smash my C5 Z06 if it were still stock.
Apr 27, 2012, 11:48 PM
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This is what I am thinking as well, that after the basic bolt on mods (intake, exhaust, smaller pulley and tune) these cars should be making quite a bit of power and will be plenty fast for most people.
Apr 28, 2012, 12:19 AM
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Apr 28, 2012, 07:39 AM
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It is what it is guys.... I would love to have one. Besides the 4000lb's of muffin top, it actually looks like a pretty well rounded sports car. Good job GM. I'm sure you can find things to drop the weight, just like we are doing with our cars. After its payed off of course..
Apr 28, 2012, 12:54 PM
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There's a lot of pointless hypothetical situations being mentioned in here. Why is a brand new car being compared to a 1G DSM and a Japanese engine that doesn't exist?
Sure you could build a car that will be faster at a track, but what would you want to drive everyday, a gutted obnoxious track beast, or a brand new car with creature comforts and a warranty?
As far as the "Give a Japanese auto maker the same amount of CC's" argument goes: who's stopping any Japanese automaker from building whatever engine they want? As far as I know there is no law preventing Japanese auto manufacturers from building big displacement engines, they just have no interest in it. Unlike the hypothetical car that you're talking about, this camaro and it's ridiculous engine ACTUALLY EXISTS and you can walk into a dealership and pick one up.
American car makers have started paying a lot more attention to handling in the past few years, and I think it's a great thing. Hell after hating mustangs for pretty much my entire adult life, I almost sold my Evo for a Boss.
Sure you could build a car that will be faster at a track, but what would you want to drive everyday, a gutted obnoxious track beast, or a brand new car with creature comforts and a warranty?
As far as the "Give a Japanese auto maker the same amount of CC's" argument goes: who's stopping any Japanese automaker from building whatever engine they want? As far as I know there is no law preventing Japanese auto manufacturers from building big displacement engines, they just have no interest in it. Unlike the hypothetical car that you're talking about, this camaro and it's ridiculous engine ACTUALLY EXISTS and you can walk into a dealership and pick one up.
American car makers have started paying a lot more attention to handling in the past few years, and I think it's a great thing. Hell after hating mustangs for pretty much my entire adult life, I almost sold my Evo for a Boss.
Apr 28, 2012, 01:12 PM
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There's a lot of pointless hypothetical situations being mentioned in here. Why is a brand new car being compared to a 1G DSM and a Japanese engine that doesn't exist?
Sure you could build a car that will be faster at a track, but what would you want to drive everyday, a gutted obnoxious track beast, or a brand new car with creature comforts and a warranty?
As far as the "Give a Japanese auto maker the same amount of CC's" argument goes: who's stopping any Japanese automaker from building whatever engine they want? As far as I know there is no law preventing Japanese auto manufacturers from building big displacement engines, they just have no interest in it. Unlike the hypothetical car that you're talking about, this camaro and it's ridiculous engine ACTUALLY EXISTS and you can walk into a dealership and pick one up.
American car makers have started paying a lot more attention to handling in the past few years, and I think it's a great thing. Hell after hating mustangs for pretty much my entire adult life, I almost sold my Evo for a Boss.
Sure you could build a car that will be faster at a track, but what would you want to drive everyday, a gutted obnoxious track beast, or a brand new car with creature comforts and a warranty?
As far as the "Give a Japanese auto maker the same amount of CC's" argument goes: who's stopping any Japanese automaker from building whatever engine they want? As far as I know there is no law preventing Japanese auto manufacturers from building big displacement engines, they just have no interest in it. Unlike the hypothetical car that you're talking about, this camaro and it's ridiculous engine ACTUALLY EXISTS and you can walk into a dealership and pick one up.
American car makers have started paying a lot more attention to handling in the past few years, and I think it's a great thing. Hell after hating mustangs for pretty much my entire adult life, I almost sold my Evo for a Boss.
Apr 28, 2012, 02:59 PM
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Weight and mass are the bane of any car. Dodge is famous for its bloated, avoirdupois filled cars such as the Charger SRT-8 and Challenger SRT-8. Ford started using an aluminum block for the GT-500, at least mitigating its girth. Chevy too has a problem with weight and the Camaro is no exception. The one good thing about the ZL-1 is that is turns an amazing time at the Nurburgring, which shows that the car has balance and handling even in spite of its 4000 pound ponderousness.
Lest the Evo guys think that their Japanese awesomeness rules over the Camaro, at 3,585 pounds, the Evo X is hardly lithe and svelte. This is a trend that plagues Japanese cars as well. Look how heavy the GT-R is. My hope is that future American and Japanese performance cars will reduce their size and weight to improve handling, performance and fuel economy.
For Chevrolet, the gauntlet has been thrown down by Ford. The ZL-1 has been trumped by the 2013 Shelby GT500. It will be interesting to see if Chevy chooses to one-up Ford with a higher horsepower Camaro. This is the one thing fun about manufacturer wars. I just wish that Mitsubishi was following this and doing their best to trounce other Japanese car makers.
Lest the Evo guys think that their Japanese awesomeness rules over the Camaro, at 3,585 pounds, the Evo X is hardly lithe and svelte. This is a trend that plagues Japanese cars as well. Look how heavy the GT-R is. My hope is that future American and Japanese performance cars will reduce their size and weight to improve handling, performance and fuel economy.
For Chevrolet, the gauntlet has been thrown down by Ford. The ZL-1 has been trumped by the 2013 Shelby GT500. It will be interesting to see if Chevy chooses to one-up Ford with a higher horsepower Camaro. This is the one thing fun about manufacturer wars. I just wish that Mitsubishi was following this and doing their best to trounce other Japanese car makers.
Apr 30, 2012, 05:34 AM
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, i didnt feel it either)the "figure 8" time is in the top 3 ever tested by motortrend. nurburgring is right at the top as well. and wont even mention 0-60 and 1/4.
and, in the last two magazine comparos, experts have deemd the gtr a "better drivers car than a 911 turbo s" ....
Apr 30, 2012, 07:32 AM
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Ok. It can be faster around the ring but the Majority of people looking at a gt500 or ZL1 are not usually the "type" to really put a lot of thought on its ring time. Lets be real I'm pretty sure it is still classified as a Muscle Car and your average joe with 60k to spend is looking for mostly acceleration. Yes I'm very aware how far Ford and Chevy have come in the handling aspect of these cars but 90% of the population still thinks American cars can't turn based on the past...
Americans can't make good cars, the only way they can sell a "performance" car is if they have a huge displacement. Give a Japanese auto maker the same amount of CC's and you will most likely have double the horsepower with half the emissions. It is easy to make power with a huge motor. There is no refinement in muscle cars. They feel like POO and they drive like POO. I hate american cars and no amount of horsepower will change my opinion on that. Well done detroit, another overpriced POS where the CC's match the curb weight.
There's a lot of pointless hypothetical situations being mentioned in here. Why is a brand new car being compared to a 1G DSM and a Japanese engine that doesn't exist?
Sure you could build a car that will be faster at a track, but what would you want to drive everyday, a gutted obnoxious track beast, or a brand new car with creature comforts and a warranty?
As far as the "Give a Japanese auto maker the same amount of CC's" argument goes: who's stopping any Japanese automaker from building whatever engine they want? As far as I know there is no law preventing Japanese auto manufacturers from building big displacement engines, they just have no interest in it. Unlike the hypothetical car that you're talking about, this camaro and it's ridiculous engine ACTUALLY EXISTS and you can walk into a dealership and pick one up.
American car makers have started paying a lot more attention to handling in the past few years, and I think it's a great thing. Hell after hating mustangs for pretty much my entire adult life, I almost sold my Evo for a Boss.
Sure you could build a car that will be faster at a track, but what would you want to drive everyday, a gutted obnoxious track beast, or a brand new car with creature comforts and a warranty?
As far as the "Give a Japanese auto maker the same amount of CC's" argument goes: who's stopping any Japanese automaker from building whatever engine they want? As far as I know there is no law preventing Japanese auto manufacturers from building big displacement engines, they just have no interest in it. Unlike the hypothetical car that you're talking about, this camaro and it's ridiculous engine ACTUALLY EXISTS and you can walk into a dealership and pick one up.
American car makers have started paying a lot more attention to handling in the past few years, and I think it's a great thing. Hell after hating mustangs for pretty much my entire adult life, I almost sold my Evo for a Boss.
Weight and mass are the bane of any car. Dodge is famous for its bloated, avoirdupois filled cars such as the Charger SRT-8 and Challenger SRT-8. Ford started using an aluminum block for the GT-500, at least mitigating its girth. Chevy too has a problem with weight and the Camaro is no exception. The one good thing about the ZL-1 is that is turns an amazing time at the Nurburgring, which shows that the car has balance and handling even in spite of its 4000 pound ponderousness.
Lest the Evo guys think that their Japanese awesomeness rules over the Camaro, at 3,585 pounds, the Evo X is hardly lithe and svelte. This is a trend that plagues Japanese cars as well. Look how heavy the GT-R is. My hope is that future American and Japanese performance cars will reduce their size and weight to improve handling, performance and fuel economy.
For Chevrolet, the gauntlet has been thrown down by Ford. The ZL-1 has been trumped by the 2013 Shelby GT500. It will be interesting to see if Chevy chooses to one-up Ford with a higher horsepower Camaro. This is the one thing fun about manufacturer wars. I just wish that Mitsubishi was following this and doing their best to trounce other Japanese car makers.
Lest the Evo guys think that their Japanese awesomeness rules over the Camaro, at 3,585 pounds, the Evo X is hardly lithe and svelte. This is a trend that plagues Japanese cars as well. Look how heavy the GT-R is. My hope is that future American and Japanese performance cars will reduce their size and weight to improve handling, performance and fuel economy.
For Chevrolet, the gauntlet has been thrown down by Ford. The ZL-1 has been trumped by the 2013 Shelby GT500. It will be interesting to see if Chevy chooses to one-up Ford with a higher horsepower Camaro. This is the one thing fun about manufacturer wars. I just wish that Mitsubishi was following this and doing their best to trounce other Japanese car makers.