Originally Posted by warmmilk

Originally Posted by migs647

It's very common... manufacturers pay journalists off to make sure their cars are rated appropriately. Happens in every industry. Game development, automobiles, motorcycles, goods. I never trust a journalist for this reason alone. I will always take a proven enthusiast's word over a journalist. Not to mention, half the journalists can't drive worth a damn.

Originally Posted by migs647

It's very common... manufacturers pay journalists off to make sure their cars are rated appropriately. Happens in every industry. Game development, automobiles, motorcycles, goods. I never trust a journalist for this reason alone. I will always take a proven enthusiast's word over a journalist. Not to mention, half the journalists can't drive worth a damn.

Originally Posted by golgo13

I gave you what you asked for:

Originally Posted by golgo13

Limited production? Yes.
Modified chassis? Sure.
It's still all around more fun out of the box than what I've been reading about the Toybaru joint venture.

Originally Posted by golgo13

Show me any N/A car of equal power to the BRZ that gives you a kick in the pants. I guess one could argue a Lotus Elise R.

Originally Posted by DragonEye

Sorry to rain on the parade and all, but the BRZ/FRS was never meant to be powerful, as with the original AE86, it was meant to be a fun RWD car in an entry level segment. They did however make it “sporty” by giving it an above average HP, keeping it light weight, and giving it a sporty suspension. In all reality it is basically a practical S2000/Miata with a back seat and hard top which in the price range it’s in it is still fairly competitive. As far as the lack of kick back in the seat comment, find me a production car with a high revving low displacement naturally aspirated motor that does that and I’ll eat my shoes. All in all if you’re looking for a fun car that’s stock that is light weight, good gas milage, sporty, RWD, and can be a comphy DD/ weekend racer. I’d say they hit the nail on the head.

I’m not saying that the car isn’t priced a bit high, which if it were brought down $2,000 from what it is, I would pick one up in a heart-beat, then fix those tail lights that are hideous. Personally I’d pick up the BRZ for a DD as the difference in the interior is quite large and it is really comfortable. (mmm heated seats in the winter)

Originally Posted by DeatschWerks

If he didn't like the FRS, I see the BRZ being slightly less. It is rumored the BRZ's suspension is softer.

The BRZ is about $1000 more, but you get navigation and HID's for the higher price.

Originally Posted by Skylineracer

I saw the brz run faster with the same driver vs the frs around the track in a review.

and to warm milk you can't believe any media cause journalism is dead everything in the media is just entertainment. So go with people like smike who tracks different cars all the time for a good legit review.

also to smike what do you think of the v8 wutstang?

also gingers don't have souls, i once befriended a female ginger, many many drinks later she took advantage of me i mean no i do mean

Originally Posted by Smike

A fanboy enters.

I'd hardly call 200/150 above average hp for a "sport car". And I don't get the light weight bit that everyone's on about. This car gets worst mileage than my current daily driver, by-the-way.

Back seat? Are you serious? You can't be serious. Go look at this car. Front seat was 1in from touching the rear. Ah, useless in my book.

I think you found them for me...

S2000, Miata, Mustang v6, Elise, Exige, 350z, 370z...all of these have a soul and are a blast to drive. They want you to go fast, beat up old ladies, take candy from kids.

And migs is 100% correct. They usually set you up with the best setting and best environment to love their product. Yeah, part of that machine too. Be doing it in a few weeks as a driver/expert.

I need to quote that - "In Smike we trust."

Originally Posted by Skylineracer

and to warm milk you can't believe any media cause journalism is dead everything in the media is just entertainment. So go with people like smike who tracks different cars all the time for a good legit review.

Originally Posted by warmmilk

its just funny how many people take his word like gospel

Originally Posted by warmmilk

smike isn't the only non media person that's driven this car... there are plenty of people that track and autox who have driven this car who's opinion i'm taking into account. and not all journalists are dead ends, some out there know what their doing...

now I'm not saying smike is "wrong", what he posted is mostly a matter of opinion, he didn't like the car... many other find it awesome, its just funny how many people take his word like gospel