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Old Jun 27, 2017 | 11:22 AM
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So modern cars do not use any sort of engine monitoring software that can be back checked? It seems like it would be useful for manufacturers in troubleshooting problems.

Why do dealerships even have specialized, and very expensive, computer diagnostic equipment?
Because said specialized equipment can run manufacturer specific diagnostic tests. They can shut off individual coils, individual injectors, force one back to run lean or rich. Calibrate sensors. Talk to all the vehicle modules. Any thing, that any module in the car controls, can be activated by the diag equipment. Fuel pumps, electric water pumps and power steering systems, windows, door locks, anything.. It's why a snap-on scanner that has OEM scanner capabilities for all makes/models like the MODIS is a $10k+ tool.


You find it "hard to believe" but I know, for a fact, OEM's do not have long term data logging capabilities in their ECU's. They have event recorders, but they don't have data logging.
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 11:22 AM
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I'm happy ending it. The last 2-4 pages are completely irrelevant.
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 11:24 AM
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The trial scenario you're suggesting is, first off, unlikely, and second, comes down to a battle of credibility.
How is it unlikely? Dealerships do deny warranty work, and they apparently do not have to offer much in the way of justification for said denial. 'Signs of abuse' is about as vague a term as you will find in a contract. If its a battle of credibility, who do you think the court is likely to believe, the consumer who bought a high performance car, or the manufacturer?
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 11:28 AM
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didn't we already establish that vague concepts in a warranty are not enforceable? If you don't spell it out to a T then its not going to survive in a court room.
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 11:30 AM
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This is a waste of time, and obviously annoying to the people who don't have a dog in this fight.

Once again, nemsin apparently knows more about anything than eberyone else.
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 11:37 AM
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Can you two please take this to PM??

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thank you.
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
This is a waste of time, and obviously annoying to the people who don't have a dog in this fight.

Once again, nemsin apparently knows more about anything than eberyone else.
you are no different by anymeans.
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Because said specialized equipment can run manufacturer specific diagnostic tests. They can shut off individual coils, individual injectors, force one back to run lean or rich. Calibrate sensors. Talk to all the vehicle modules. Any thing, that any module in the car controls, can be activated by the diag equipment. Fuel pumps, electric water pumps and power steering systems, windows, door locks, anything.. It's why a snap-on scanner that has OEM scanner capabilities for all makes/models like the MODIS is a $10k+ tool.


You find it "hard to believe" but I know, for a fact, OEM's do not have long term data logging capabilities in their ECU's. They have event recorders, but they don't have data logging.
Data logging features usually for Racing ECUs.
As far as i know.
Although OEM newer ECUs can keep some informatiin permanently in they memory for determination of some type of failures or even accidents.
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
It's why a snap-on scanner that has OEM scanner capabilities for all makes/models like the MODIS is a $10k+ tool.
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Our shop had one of these. Somewhere between $10-12k or so. But it was blutooth, touchscreen, and just ****ing awesome. I wish I had my own.
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
you are no different by anymeans.
Yes, a practicing lawyer talking about the law is exactly the same as someone who isn't a practicing lawyer talking about the law.
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 12:29 PM
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you guys are still on about warranty's and lawyers?
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 12:31 PM
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**** I hope it's done.
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 01:03 PM
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So about the new Civic Type R..........
Old Jun 27, 2017 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by slc-ralliart
So about the new Civic Type R..........
I wonder what will/won't void the warranty, though...



Old Jun 27, 2017 | 01:24 PM
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I'm sure installing aluminum strut arms will do that.


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