LetsGetThisDone

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I ran a 2:02.9 in our car, bone stock like it's off the showroom except tow hooks. Our other driver ran a 2:02.1 on on Sunday. Stock brakes, stock Michelin super sports. ****ing stock.

My fairly fully built Evo managed a 1:56.0. The Supra is just simply superior.

kaj

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It's crazy. When I finally let the Evo go I was honestly worried that I was taking a step backwards on my lap times and in performance. I will be finding out, in a few months, when I run my home track. So far, it sounds like this car might be even faster.
That will completely blow my mind.

Lumpy Sticks

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I just realized that they didnt even put me in the Bimmer challenge like I signed up for! I would have got 2nd since I ran a 1.59.1. Boo.

Construct

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The Supra platform should be faster than the Evo platform at the track. It has similar curb weight, rear wheel drive, better weight distribution, 50% more displacement, 50% more cylinders, lower center of gravity, room for bigger tires, an 8-speed auto, and almost two extra decades of technology advancement.

Really, the weird thing is that the Evo was so competitive for so long. It felts like the affordable enthusiast car market was stagnant for a long time.

It's nice to have a modern, turbocharged, tuneable (mostly) option again.

kaj

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Kinda. My Evo was well modified. 3200lbs. 430whp. Same size wheel and tire. And my STOCK Supra may turn the same lap times. Nuts.

Construct

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Doesn't seem that nuts. IIRC, the A91 Supra puts down wheel horsepower numbers higher than you'd expect for the factory rating. It also has an 8-speed automatic, lower center of gravity, better weight balance, better aerodynamics, etc.

The Evo is a fun car, but purpose-built 2-seater RWD, low ride height cars with automatic transmissions and modern technology should be faster than a 15+ year old AWD economy car chassis.

Dallas J

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I'll race ya, aint scurred of modern tech

kaj

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If you say so...

RallySport9

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It's got nothing to do with "purpose built" or what the supra has that the Evo doesn't it's simply that they're able to make modern cars with better parts much easier. Economics allow it and people demand it now. 17-25 years ago the average consumer didn't care at all about hp numbers or lap times. They even had gentleman's agreements to keep them down. It's not even tech advancement, sure they're more efficient but cars haven't changed all that much. The a80 supra was a slow touring whale that the Evo could run laps around all day and it was "purpose built" now a80 supras even with stock engines from the 90s are some of the fastest cars out there. When you're talking any 90s/2000s car its obviously not fair to compare stock for stock. Although it's impressive how they can still keep up.

It's irrelevant however because nobody keeps their Evo stock and in 2023 chassis doesnt mean anything other than a folded piece of metal you prefer. You can modernize anything to beat anything these days. The whole debate of which is faster is moot.

Construct

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By "purpose built" I meant that they started with a sports car in mind and built a chassis for it.

Mitsubishi took an econobox Lancer and worked miracles to turn it into something so fast.

kaj

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I hear you. But, In this case, it didn't seem to make a difference - designed as a sports car from the beginning or not. Not a lot shared between the base model Lancer and an Evolution, either.
For example, would you expect lesser performance from an M3 because of the 325 base? Etc

Grimgrak

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Well for ****s and giggles the new m2 is 3 seconds faster on a 90 second track than a mkv supra. Both stock.

Lumpy Sticks

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What track? One that favors power or handling?

Dallas J

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To be fair ("tooo beeeee faaaaairrrrrr"), the Evo was also constantly iterated on with professional race teams and is why you see so many changes especially between 4 and 6.5. For a crap can its remarkable.

LetsGetThisDone

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The M2 makes about 100 more hp